From: zeurkous@blaatscaahp.org
To: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com>, zsh-workers@zsh.org
Subject: RE: Re: On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 20:17:35 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <thinkcrap!zeurkous!1665260254.5591> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH+w=7a=8OTgQueU75+dyRcq4hi+mpoiyOxnd13qkeXoNZEr4Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 12:58:02 -0700, Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 10:55 AM Eric Cook <llua@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> Within the context that master _and_ slave is used, i do.
>
> This is the point (which I tried to make in my "thoughts" message):
> The term of offense is not "master" by itself, but that's the word
> that all arguments against making a change have latched onto.
Not me. To me, it's about both words, together.
> A
> secondary point is that its hypocritical to claim both that this
> should be an apolitical technical decision and also to assert that
> it's only a valid issue if certain recognizable segments of the user
> base are those expressing an opinion.
Apparently me hasn't been clear: to me, it *is* an apolitical technical
decision; yet, me can perfectly live w/ the fact that other people feel
differently, and me's been trying to accomodate them, /even as me does
not agree/.
No hypocrisy there. Just civility.
> There is no use of "slave" I can find that does not imply being
> unwillingly bound or restricted. Playacting at same does not
> constitute an exception.
Me's not into BDSM, but me's pretty sure not all of it is "playacting"
as such.
Perhaps me's splitting hairs...
> That a particular use does not refer to
> human trafficking does not remove the implication or the analogy.
You're right.
> Changing unrelated uses of "master" is not even up for debate here.
A neutral observation: one change like this tends to lead to others in
different places. Thus they may very well being up for debate (or worse:
silently taken for granted, just because an earlier change, in the same
vein, was accepted).
A non-neutral observation: me's concerned about that.
> However, what should be considered is the ten or so other and more
> visible (because they're in shell scripts) uses of "slave". As far as
> I'm concerned, that's the only reason this discussion hasn't already
> been called by fiat (as in, by PWS pushing the patch he's already
> proposed, or something very much like it).
If anyone pushes the change: me'll consider the matter closed.
Me disagreement is not worth this churn.
--zeurkous.
--
Friggin' Machines!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-08 20:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-19 6:52 The request of words matter updated Xiao Ling XL Chen
2022-09-19 18:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27 3:15 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-27 4:22 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27 8:44 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-27 20:54 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-27 21:15 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-27 21:22 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 12:42 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:33 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-27 21:32 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-28 6:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28 6:30 ` Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-28 12:57 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:23 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-28 12:47 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:35 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28 6:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28 12:16 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 13:05 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:49 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-29 4:08 ` On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted) Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-29 10:48 ` De Zeurkous
2022-09-29 12:11 ` FU: " zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-30 4:29 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-30 5:14 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 8:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:12 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:12 ` zeurkous
[not found] ` <63414db7.050a0220.8ee33.4cc4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 10:48 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:06 ` zeurkous
[not found] ` <63415a7a.500a0220.e6d5.1c01SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 11:20 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:59 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 16:48 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 16:54 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 17:55 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:09 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:24 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-10-08 18:43 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:25 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:11 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 19:58 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 20:17 ` zeurkous [this message]
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Re: The request of words matter updated zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:08 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 16:34 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-28 16:42 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-10-03 14:25 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-03 14:43 ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 23:24 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-04 0:45 ` Wesley
2022-10-04 5:29 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 5:48 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 23:31 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 11:14 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-08 18:14 ` Martijn Dekker
2022-10-08 18:34 ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 15:27 ` Wesley
2022-10-03 15:45 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 7:05 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 7:28 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-05 0:00 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 23:46 ` zeurkous
2022-10-05 0:28 ` FU: " zeurkous
2022-10-08 7:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:06 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:46 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 10:59 ` zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:31 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28 20:01 ` Eric Cook
2022-09-29 8:05 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-01 4:40 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-03 15:24 ` Peter Stephenson
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