From: zeurkous@blaatscaahp.org, zeurkous@volny.cz
To: "Daniel Shahaf" <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>, zsh-workers@zsh.org
Cc: "Xiao Ling XL Chen" <chenxlxl@cn.ibm.com>,
"Kui K Zhang" <kzzhang@cn.ibm.com>,
"Peter Stephenson" <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: Re: The request of words matter updated
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:08:02 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <thinkcrap!zeurkous!1664366879.26132> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9cf82892-e90a-4404-8b56-04b0046b9165@app.fastmail.com>
Haai,
On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:54:46 +0000, "Daniel Shahaf" <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> -1 on the patch because I don't believe people who disagree with the
> change feel comfortable saying so publicly.
*nods*
So me'll speak up: me's for keeping the current terminology, for the
following reasons--
0) Me certainly hopes that no-one imagines an actual {master,slave}
relationship when the words are applied to ptys, hdds, or w/ever. To
the degree that they do: they're insufficiently distinguishing
technical shorthand from unfortunate tedencies in human history
(and, to a degree, sadly not limited to history).
1) The terms are entrenched and replacing them generates confusion,
churn in declarations, etc.
2) There are no plausible alternatives as far as me can see. The
proposed {owner,subsidiary} -- and similar -- terms again imply a
relationship of personal and economic exploitation (just this time
covered with a mildly fuzzy blanket).
The politically correct interface terms, {primary,secondary}, imply
that the limit of the sequence is not 1, which is IMO not helpful
here either.
If anything, me'd opt for {dom,sub}, but apart from it probably
being just as little politically acceptable, that creates confusion
with existing technical terms (although such confusion is always, to
a degree, unavoidable).
3) We have better ways to spend our time. Me probably wouldn't have
responded if me hadn't just come out of the shower ;)
HTH,
--zeurkous.
P.S., OT: Me's been trying to migrate me list membership to me new
addy, <zeurkous@blaatscaahp.org>. The confirmation message
never arrived and me attempt to contact the maintainer
resulted in silence. Can the maintainer please privately
contact me to sort this out? TIA :)
--
Friggin' Machines!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-09-28 15:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-19 6:52 Xiao Ling XL Chen
2022-09-19 18:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27 3:15 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-27 4:22 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27 8:44 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-27 20:54 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-27 21:15 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-27 21:22 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 12:42 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:33 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-27 21:32 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-28 6:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28 6:30 ` Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-28 12:57 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:23 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-28 12:47 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:35 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28 6:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28 12:16 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 13:05 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:49 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-29 4:08 ` On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted) Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-29 10:48 ` De Zeurkous
2022-09-29 12:11 ` FU: " zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-30 4:29 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-30 5:14 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 8:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:12 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:12 ` zeurkous
[not found] ` <63414db7.050a0220.8ee33.4cc4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 10:48 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:06 ` zeurkous
[not found] ` <63415a7a.500a0220.e6d5.1c01SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 11:20 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:59 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 16:48 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 16:54 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 17:55 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:09 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:24 ` Clinton Bunch
2022-10-08 18:43 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:25 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:11 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 19:58 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 20:17 ` zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Re: The request of words matter updated zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:08 ` zeurkous, zeurkous [this message]
2022-09-28 16:34 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-28 16:42 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-10-03 14:25 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-03 14:43 ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 23:24 ` Eric Cook
2022-10-04 0:45 ` Wesley
2022-10-04 5:29 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 5:48 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 23:31 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 11:14 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-08 18:14 ` Martijn Dekker
2022-10-08 18:34 ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 15:27 ` Wesley
2022-10-03 15:45 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 7:05 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04 7:28 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-05 0:00 ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 23:46 ` zeurkous
2022-10-05 0:28 ` FU: " zeurkous
2022-10-08 7:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:06 ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:46 ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 10:59 ` zeurkous
2022-09-29 8:31 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28 20:01 ` Eric Cook
2022-09-29 8:05 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-01 4:40 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-03 15:24 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-05 3:02 Wesley
2022-10-05 3:18 ` zeurkous
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