Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] FAQ: sync newuser-install

["Lawrence Velázquez" <larryv@zsh.org>]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022, at 11:18 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:31 PM Bart Schaefer <schaefer@brasslantern.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:23 PM Mikael Magnusson <mikachu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Besides that, the whole thing is way too
>> > disruptive just for you to save 2 lines in your .zshrc.
>>
>> Pretty much exactly that.  The argument FOR doing something has to be
>> persuasive, rebutting specific counterpoints is only part of that.  I
>> haven't seen anyone yet supporting your position without modification.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. The argument in favor is right there: it
> potentially reduces the number of options required in the
> configuration.

We know what your argument is.  Some of us just are not persuaded
by it.


> But if you are an 18yo kid who just installed zsh, a configuration of
> 3 lines vs. a configuration of 1 line makes a difference of 67%.
> That's quite a lot.

It's not a lot.  It's still two lines.  Using an impressive-looking
percentage doesn't change this.


> A better experience for new users is just better. The
> `zsh-newuser-install` script is a step in the right direction, but in
> my view it shouldn't be necessary. Running zsh with no configuration
> should do a decent job for most people by default.
>
> The ideal minimal configuration that does a good enough job for most
> people should be *zero* lines. Even if we never get there, any line
> saved is a step in the right direction.

If we were starting from a blank slate, I'm sure more of us would
be on board.  As it is, there are tradeoffs regarding compatibility
and interactions with existing functionality.  You seem to not care
about that and want "a better experience for new users" at all cost,
but we don't have to agree.


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