[9fans] London 9con?

[9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

How many 9fans would consider a (totally informal)
get-together in London sometime?

Since I'm now getting divorced, and thus more autonomous,
I don't mind doing the arranging, finding venues, spare beds etc.

I was thinking about, maybe a Saturday,
so people could get to London easily.
The idea would be to find some nice place where we can sit
around talking, eating and drinking all day
(the obvious venue would be a decent pub).

I'm sure Boyd and I can arrange some fun entertainment
for the evening too.

Any takers?  Alternative ideas???

Cheers,
	Dave.

P.S. Please tell any 9fans who aren't on the list!
P.P.S. Attendance qualifications are one of:
a) less than 3 degrees of separation from Boyd or Cmdr. Pike.
b) a bullet wound.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?: a plea

[Dave Lukes]

Also, in case the London 9con concept takes off ...

In a possibly vain attempt to make the world a better place,
could I plead with the more fortunate members of our fraternity
to help out their poverty stricken fraters with transport, beds etc.

TIA,
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> The idea would be to find some nice place where we can sit
> around talking, eating and drinking all day
> (the obvious venue would be a decent pub).

with taunton dry blackthorn cider.  somewhere in islington?

> I'm sure Boyd and I can arrange some fun entertainment
> for the evening too.

hmm, my ex-wife told some of her visitors:

    you're going out with boyd tonight, right?

    DO NOT come back here trashed

;)

> b) a bullet wound.

that should be doable by friday or so.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Derek Fawcus]

On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 08:22:14PM +0100, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > The idea would be to find some nice place where we can sit
> > around talking, eating and drinking all day
> > (the obvious venue would be a decent pub).
>
> with taunton dry blackthorn cider.  somewhere in islington?

Well in London,  somewhere serving Fullers would be appropriate.  I seem to
recall appreciating HSB (or was it ESB,  or maybe both :-).

DF

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[rog]

ESB

mmmm...

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[a]

// b) a bullet wound.

else, one can be provided at the door.
ア

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> Any takers?  Alternative ideas???

Two suggestions:

1. Summer USENIX Plan9 BOF
2. A 9fans event concurrent with a Gun Show and Swap Meet somewhere
in the U.S.

the direction you are going (divorce, bullet wounds, Boyd, etc.) 2 might
be more appropriate.

> b) a bullet wound.

Does it have to be an old one?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> 1. Summer USENIX Plan9 BOF

that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.

> 2. A 9fans event concurrent with a Gun Show and Swap Meet somewhere
> in the U.S.

no chance.  i'm not going to fly that far and have to put up with
idiot rent-a-cops doing 'security' badly.

Avi: Yes, London. You know: fish, chips, cup 'o tea, bad food, worse
weather, Mary fucking Poppins... LONDON.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[ron minnich]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > 1. Summer USENIX Plan9 BOF
>
> that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
> to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.

oh, it's not that bad! The BOF last june was great fun. We had a lot of
good people and I enjoyed the discussion quite a bit; meeting some of the
Plan 9 principals was a real highlight for me, along of course with the
Rocket Dudes. The Rocket Dudes were just great.

ron

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[David Presotto]

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Anyone going to Hackers?

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From: ron minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] London 9con?
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:12:48 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402091410550.24694-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov>

On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > 1. Summer USENIX Plan9 BOF
>
> that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
> to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.

oh, it's not that bad! The BOF last june was great fun. We had a lot of
good people and I enjoyed the discussion quite a bit; meeting some of the
Plan 9 principals was a real highlight for me, along of course with the
Rocket Dudes. The Rocket Dudes were just great.

ron

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[a]

// that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
// to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.

wait, so... why is this bad again?
ア

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> // that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
> // to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.
>
> wait, so... why is this bad again?

because a brimming with lunix idiots is not my idea of fun.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> because a BAR brimming with lunix idiots is not my idea of fun.

although a BAR in the bar might be useful.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

Rule #1:
_No-one_ is to suggest buying Boyd an Uzi and a plane ticket.

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 00:19, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > // that's a dreadul idea.  if i have to sit in the hotel bar listening
> > // to lunix idiots blather nonsense there *will* be 'collateral damage'.
> >
> > wait, so... why is this bad again?
>
> because a brimming with lunix idiots is not my idea of fun.
>

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Rule #1:
> _No-one_ is to suggest buying Boyd an Uzi and a plane ticket.

nah, i already have a beretta 92FS brigadier lined up for friday
and so i'd have to get _another_ permit and a bigger safe. anyway,
i'd buy an MP5-A3.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Steve Simon]

Twood be interesting to put faces (rather than faces(1) ) to the email
addresses.

I can make an evening in London and even get home on the last train.

-Steve

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[a]

yeah, i could do london (depending on the specific dates), as
i'm on an extended work assignment here until about the middle
of the summer (with a few trips "home" to the states). got a
time in mind?
ア

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

may 8 was suggested.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> got a
> time in mind?
> ア

I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
I'd be game.

Also, FYI, there is a USENIX VM '04 in May in San Jose.
Might have Inferno relevance.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
> about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
> I'd be game.

dave's organising it, so it's his call.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

OK, any votes against end of March?
Say, Saturday March 27th?

Cheers,
	Dave.

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 00:45, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
> > about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
> > I'd be game.
>
> dave's organising it, so it's his call.
>

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Say, Saturday March 27th?

yup

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[rog]

> OK, any votes against end of March?
> Say, Saturday March 27th?

i was thinking i might be able to arrange a w/e down
in london if this was going to happen... but i couldn't
if it was that weekend.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

don claims it's julian day [1]127

Re: [9fans] London 9con? An idea

[Dave Lukes]

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> i was thinking i might be able to arrange a w/e down
> in london if this was going to happen... but i couldn't
> if it was that weekend.

A suggestion:
why don't people tell me when they _can_ attend lon9con,
rather than when they _can't_?

If we arbitrarily say sometime between say, start of March,
(to allow time for people to get organised),
and end of June, to get a cutoff date.

May I suggest that we also forget any of the following dates:
	8th May, because of Usenix VM,
	27th March because of PyCon
	5th June because of EuroPython.

If anyone has any other dates that _generally_ seem a Bad Idea,
please email me!

I've attached a list of dates of possible Saturdays
with the above constraints.
If everyone who wants to come emails me back the attachment
after deleting the Saturdays that they _can't_ attend
(i.e. I want lists of when you _can_ come)
preserving the format so I can count them easily.

Send it to _me_ (davel@anvil.com) with a subject of
"lon9con possible dates".

I will then chose randomly among the most popular date(s).

Cheers,
	Dave.


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Feb 28
Mar  6
Mar 13
Mar 20
Mar 27
Apr  3
Apr 10
Apr 17
Apr 24
May  1
May  8
May 15
May 22
May 29
Jun  5
Jun 12
Jun 19

Re: [9fans] London 9con? An idea

[Dave Lukes]

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Oops.

The list still had the conference dates in.
Revised list attached.

Cheers,
	Dave.

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 14:32, Dave Lukes wrote:
> > i was thinking i might be able to arrange a w/e down
> > in london if this was going to happen... but i couldn't
> > if it was that weekend.
>
> A suggestion:
> why don't people tell me when they _can_ attend lon9con,
> rather than when they _can't_?
>
> If we arbitrarily say sometime between say, start of March,
> (to allow time for people to get organised),
> and end of June, to get a cutoff date.
>
> May I suggest that we also forget any of the following dates:
> 	8th May, because of Usenix VM,
> 	27th March because of PyCon
> 	5th June because of EuroPython.
>
> If anyone has any other dates that _generally_ seem a Bad Idea,
> please email me!
>
> I've attached a list of dates of possible Saturdays
> with the above constraints.
> If everyone who wants to come emails me back the attachment
> after deleting the Saturdays that they _can't_ attend
> (i.e. I want lists of when you _can_ come)
> preserving the format so I can count them easily.
>
> Send it to _me_ (davel@anvil.com) with a subject of
> "lon9con possible dates".
>
> I will then chose randomly among the most popular date(s).
>
> Cheers,
> 	Dave.
>

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Feb 28
Mar  6
Mar 13
Mar 20
Apr  3
Apr 10
Apr 17
Apr 24
May  1
May  8
May 15
May 22
May 29
Jun 12
Jun 19

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

A magnificent 5 (five) responses so far (including me!).

If people wouldn't mind spending the weekend consulting diaries etc.
so I can get some serious ideas of numbers, I'd be grateful.

I know at least one person expressed an interest but hasn't
responded yet ...

Cheers,
	Dave.

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 16:04, Dave Lukes wrote:
> Oops.
>
> The list still had the conference dates in.
> Revised list attached.
>
> Cheers,
> 	Dave.
>
> On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 14:32, Dave Lukes wrote:
> > > i was thinking i might be able to arrange a w/e down
> > > in london if this was going to happen... but i couldn't
> > > if it was that weekend.
> >
> > A suggestion:
> > why don't people tell me when they _can_ attend lon9con,
> > rather than when they _can't_?
> >
> > If we arbitrarily say sometime between say, start of March,
> > (to allow time for people to get organised),
> > and end of June, to get a cutoff date.
> >
> > May I suggest that we also forget any of the following dates:
> > 	8th May, because of Usenix VM,
> > 	27th March because of PyCon
> > 	5th June because of EuroPython.
> >
> > If anyone has any other dates that _generally_ seem a Bad Idea,
> > please email me!
> >
> > I've attached a list of dates of possible Saturdays
> > with the above constraints.
> > If everyone who wants to come emails me back the attachment
> > after deleting the Saturdays that they _can't_ attend
> > (i.e. I want lists of when you _can_ come)
> > preserving the format so I can count them easily.
> >
> > Send it to _me_ (davel@anvil.com) with a subject of
> > "lon9con possible dates".
> >
> > I will then chose randomly among the most popular date(s).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > 	Dave.
> >

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> A magnificent 5 (five) responses so far (including me!).

don't we 7 for it to be magnificent?

;)

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Derek Fawcus]

On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:26:06PM +0100, boyd, rounin wrote:
>
> don't we 7 for it to be magnificent?

Hmm.  So at 5,  it should be famous?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

We've got 7, so we _are_ magnificent!

Cheers,
	Dave.

P.S. The date votes so far are:
      7 Apr 17
      7 May 22
      7 Jun 12
      7 Jun 19
      6 Apr 24
      6 May  1
      6 May  8
      6 May 15
      6 May 29
      5 Mar  6
      5 Mar 13
      4 Mar 20
      4 Apr  3
      4 Apr 10
      4 Jun  5
      3 Feb 28
      3 Mar 27

On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 21:18, Derek Fawcus wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:26:06PM +0100, boyd, rounin wrote:
> >
> > don't we 7 for it to be magnificent?
>
> Hmm.  So at 5,  it should be famous?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

Sorry, 8!

What does that make us: the Great Eight?

Also, if people want to start thinking about their sleeping
requirements, and any kind of "entertainment" (in the widest sense)
that they'd like to participate in,
please feel free to email me and I'll collate requirements.

Cheers,
	Dave.

On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 03:15, Dave Lukes wrote:
> We've got 7, so we _are_ magnificent!
>
> Cheers,
> 	Dave.
>
> P.S. The date votes so far are:
>       7 Apr 17
>       7 May 22
>       7 Jun 12
>       7 Jun 19
>       6 Apr 24
>       6 May  1
>       6 May  8
>       6 May 15
>       6 May 29
>       5 Mar  6
>       5 Mar 13
>       4 Mar 20
>       4 Apr  3
>       4 Apr 10
>       4 Jun  5
>       3 Feb 28
>       3 Mar 27
>
> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 21:18, Derek Fawcus wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 09:26:06PM +0100, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > >
> > > don't we 7 for it to be magnificent?
> >
> > Hmm.  So at 5,  it should be famous?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Sorry, 8!
>
> What does that make us: the Great Eight?

well, we need another 39 to be the 47 rounin, although they had a rather
nasty demise.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Kenji Okamoto]

>> Sorry, 8!
>>
>> What does that make us: the Great Eight?
> 
> well, we need another 39 to be the 47 rounin, although they had a rather
> nasty demise.

So, you want to make suicide (Harakiri == Seppuku)? ☺

Kenji

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> So, you want to make suicide (Harakiri == Seppuku)? ☺

s-s-seppuku?  ... they chose wrong -- Sam [De Niro, RONIN].

     http://japan.chez.tiscali.fr/TokyoWeb/E-Ronin.htm

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Andrew Simmons]

>
>What does that make us: the Great Eight?
The Crazy Eight?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> The Crazy Eight?

behind the 8 ball?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz]

> What does that make us: the Great Eight?
>
> Also, if people want to start thinking about their sleeping
> requirements, and any kind of "entertainment" (in the widest sense)
> that they'd like to participate in,
> please feel free to email me and I'll collate requirements.

I would rather sleep horizontally and eat as little English food as possible...
Appart from that...

				G.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz]

>> What does that make us: the Great Eight?
>>
>> Also, if people want to start thinking about their sleeping
>> requirements, and any kind of "entertainment" (in the widest sense)
>> that they'd like to participate in,
>> please feel free to email me and I'll collate requirements.
>
> I would rather sleep horizontally and eat as little English food as possible...
> Appart from that...

Upps. Sorry that was for Dave...
							Gorka.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

> > I would rather sleep horizontally

After a night out with me and Boyd, you'll sleep in whatever
position you collapse into:-).

>  and eat as little English food as possible...

You don't like curry?

> > Appart from that...

> Upps. Sorry that was for Dave...

You mean you'll eat English food for anyone else?:-).

Don't worry, Gorka: I haven't accidentally copied a private
mail to a list for a while: so it's obviously your turn:-).

Cheers,
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[matt]

>> I would rather sleep horizontally and eat as little English food as possible...
>> Appart from that...

>Upps. Sorry that was for Dave...
>Gorka.

no Gorka, you go ahead and insult us as much as you like.

I've been to costa-del-sol with it's egg and chips and sheperd's pie 'English cuisine'.

It's no surprise the rest of Europe would have such a low opinion of us after meeting our tourists.

Especially if the Euro's had also visited London!

btw. my votes are :
Mar 20
Mar 13
Apr 17

Though my only real non-attendance date is
Apr 4th (my significant ex's birthday)

(I seem to have missed the one explaining the voting procedure, will this do?)

I can probably sort my own accommodation in London.

m

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz]

>
> no Gorka, you go ahead and insult us as much as you like.
>
> I've been to costa-del-sol with it's egg and chips and sheperd's pie 'English cuisine'.

Mmm.  Sorry for that.  I wasn't intending to insult you English
people.  I don't have a bad opinion of English people.  I even have
some close English friends.  I lived (studied) in Hereford with an
English family 4 summers and I liked it.  I just could't cope the food
and I am normaly open to foreign foods.  I don't just stop eating
something because it is raw (as in japanese food) or looks bad (like
eating fried blood), but English food I just can't do.


>
> It's no surprise the rest of Europe would have such a low opinion of us after meeting our tourists.

In Costa del Sol you can have lots of good food fish, good meat, you have very good olive oil for the
locally produced fresh vegetables, I can't even start.

		G.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> I would rather sleep horizontally and eat as little English food as
possible...
> Appart from that...

there's a cool french bistro in islington:

     http://www.insultant.net/uk/food/sacre-coeur

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 12:03, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > I would rather sleep horizontally and eat as little English food as
> possible...
> > Appart from that...
>
> there's a cool french bistro in islington:
>
>      http://www.insultant.net/uk/food/sacre-coeur

There's also Le Montmartre in Essex Road:
excellent Belgian/French menu,
moules, frites and beer: who needs anything else?

Cheers,
	Dave.

P.S. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to book somewhere
good and cheap for the Saturday night: if enough people are agreeable.

Yes, I know that some people's nutritional needs are completely
met by ESB, but not everyones:-).

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> P.S. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to book somewhere
> good and cheap for the Saturday night: if enough people are agreeable.

yeah, curry!!

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[matt]

You'll love my culinary requirements

I'm one of those annoying vegans

m

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

Don't worry:
most of the rest of my family are vegan
and I'm slowly going vegetarian (hate that word!),

Dave.

On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 19:11, matt@proweb.co.uk wrote:
> You'll love my culinary requirements
>
> I'm one of those annoying vegans
>
> m
>

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[a]

// ...eat as little English food as possible...

i couldn't agree more:
http://anothy.9srv.net/London/eatrules.html
ア

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Derek Fawcus]

On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 08:16:38AM -0500, a@9srv.net wrote:
> // ...eat as little English food as possible...
>
> i couldn't agree more:
> http://anothy.9srv.net/London/eatrules.html

You don't like Black Pudding? :-)  Actually I didn't like the stuff before
I hit 30,  I guess it may be something to do with the tastes changing as
one ages,  mind my Brother alays liked the stuff as a kid.

Anyway,  what's wrong with Blood Sausage?  There are other cultures that
have the same - notably certain parts of Italy.

The real problem with Black Pudding is the variable quality,  due to not
many people consuming it,  and changes in (EU) rules governing it's
production.  It's almost impossible to get decent Black Pudding in the
south of the county.  Try it from Lancashire and futher north.

DF

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[David Presotto]

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From: Derek Fawcus <dfawcus@cisco.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] London 9con?
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:04:19 +0000
Message-ID: <20040213180419.R25645@edinburgh.cisco.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 08:16:38AM -0500, a@9srv.net wrote:
> // ...eat as little English food as possible...
>
> i couldn't agree more:
> http://anothy.9srv.net/London/eatrules.html

You don't like Black Pudding? :-)  Actually I didn't like the stuff before
I hit 30,  I guess it may be something to do with the tastes changing as
one ages,  mind my Brother alays liked the stuff as a kid.

Anyway,  what's wrong with Blood Sausage?  There are other cultures that
have the same - notably certain parts of Italy.

The real problem with Black Pudding is the variable quality,  due to not
many people consuming it,  and changes in (EU) rules governing it's
production.  It's almost impossible to get decent Black Pudding in the
south of the county.  Try it from Lancashire and futher north.

DF

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Anyway,  what's wrong with Blood Sausage?  There are other cultures that
> have the same - notably certain parts of Italy.

ecky thump!

they do offal sausages ('cos the can't distinguish it from awful) in .fr

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[bs]

a@9srv.net wrote:
> // ...eat as little English food as possible...
>
> i couldn't agree more:
> http://anothy.9srv.net/London/eatrules.html

I would agree English food is bad. But, all is
not lost...
1. The supermarkets carry a lot better ethnic
selection than in the USofA (how about some good
pakora or the thai spinach soup at Sainsbury's).
2. The sight kebab wagon when beer is sloshing in your
belly is heaven sent. (don't try their burgers).
3. I have had moderate success with shepards pie,
but a lot of the potato stuff might be funny.
4. In London do not waste money in restaurants
or Chinatown. Pret-a-manger is the best value for
your money if you can find one.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[a]

// 4. In London do not waste money in restaurants or
// Chinatown. Pret-a-manger is the best value for
// your money if you can find one.

if you can *find* one? they're like every other block!
it's like Starbucks in NYC (or most any other
american city). and while i agree they're a good value
for your money, better than Chinatown? not so sure.
ア

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[bs]

a@9srv.net wrote:
> // 4. In London do not waste money in restaurants or
> // Chinatown. Pret-a-manger is the best value for
> // your money if you can find one.
>
> if you can *find* one? they're like every other block!
> it's like Starbucks in NYC (or most any other
> american city). and while i agree they're a good value
> for your money, better than Chinatown? not so sure.
May be after MickeyD bought them...
My knowledge is circa 1999.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

There is loads of great food, both English and non-English,
available in England:
it's just hard to find in London 'cos it's full of tourists.

Not all English food is bad: I'm English, I cook,
and in the opinions of those who've sampled it, I cook well.  q.e.d.
(Also, no matter what the ignorant say.
decent fish and chips is still a world beater.)

People who eat the congealed blood of any animal deserve their fate.

BTW: No-one's even mentioned Scottish, Irish or Welsh cuisine.
(Who invented smoked salmon, no matter what the Canadians think?)

Now can everyone please:
1) Shut the fuck up about English food.
2) If you're going to 9conlon, tell me suitable dates
3) Go back to talking about IRQs or USBs or some other interesting
   TLA.

Cheers,
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Martin C.Atkins]

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:17:34 +0000 Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com> wrote:
>...
> 2) If you're going to 9conlon, tell me suitable dates

I'm not sure what the current front-runners are, since the dates have got
obscured in the, er, "other", discussions. But if I could put in my
vote for any of the middle weekends in May (i.e. 8th, 15th, 22th), since
that would make it feasible for me. Other dates are not, since I'm
'some distance' away :-).

> 3) Go back to talking about IRQs or USBs or some other interesting
>    TLA.
how about C-130 journeys?

Martin

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Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> how about C-130 journeys?

hunted by huey gunships.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Kenji Okamoto]

> Not all English food is bad: 

When I started to learn English, I was much confused
Why _tasty_ =: _sweet_.   ☺

Kenji

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

On Mon, 2004-02-16 at 02:03, Kenji Okamoto wrote:
> > Not all English food is bad: 
> 
> When I started to learn English, I was much confused
> Why _tasty_ =: _sweet_.   ☺

?? Am I the only one who's confused by that?

	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> > Why _tasty_ =: _sweet_.   ☺
>
> ?? Am I the only one who's confused by that?

no

Re: [9fans] London 9con? Agenda

[Dave Lukes]

Friday night:
	Meet and greet, sort out beds, do some drinking and stuff.
Saturday all day:
	Sit around in the Designated Pub, shooting the breeze,
	drinking, eating and stuff.
	Maybe have a whiteboard there for scribbling stuff?
Saturday night:
	Boyd and Dave Present: A Serious Night Out.
Sunday:
	Find a Big Greasy Breakfast and Eat It.
	Relax, sit around and nurse hangovers in Designated Pub.
	Wander off home as required.

Any additions or modifications proposed?

Interested people could do a movie on Friday or Saturday.

Re: [9fans] London 9con? Agenda

[boyd, rounin]

> Any additions or modifications proposed?

sounds fine

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> OK, any votes against end of March?
> Say, Saturday March 27th?
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Dave.
> 
>> > I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
>> > about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
>> > I'd be game.
>> 
>> dave's organising it, so it's his call.

Apparently I can't read very well.  It is actually $240 for one way
but must be purchased for a round trip.  The return is a bit more
expensive.  The cheapest BA round trip for that weekend is
approx.  $600 (24th to 30th); I would still go if it is a large gathering.

P.S. 
Vancouver or Victoria would be great spots too.
If there is an ice rink, we might get to see Andrey's
ice-skating/comedy act. ☺

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[andrey mirtchovski]

> Vancouver or Victoria would be great spots too.
> If there is an ice rink, we might get to see Andrey's
> ice-skating/comedy act. ☺

I prefer skiing skating is something I just started learning because
the winter got so depressing -- when in rome...

how many 9fans are there in western canada?  going to edmonton for a
quick beer in a 9pub isn't a problem, but to go to BC may need a bit
of preparation :)

andrey

ps: i'm not sure if I'll make it to USENIX this year :(

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Apparently I can't read very well.

yes, LONDON!!

> It is actually $240 for one way but must be purchased for a round trip.

have you tried Virgin or American?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[ron minnich]

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, boyd, rounin wrote:

> have you tried Virgin or American?

how did the cell phone discussion cross over into this one?

ron

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Jack Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 7:39 PM, boyd, rounin wrote:
> have you tried Virgin or American?

Yes, but I've heard that Experienced and Italian is a better bet.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

>> Apparently I can't read very well.
> yes, LONDON!!
That time I was just being stubborn ☺

>> It is actually $240 for one way but must be purchased for a round trip.
> have you tried Virgin or American?

Nothing out of Seattle on Virgin; American goes via OHR or DFW
for almost the same price. Not worth the hassle.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[matt]

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I'll come along, any date but April 4th

*never* go on holiday - over 2000 emails to trawl through

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From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] London 9con?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:22:44 +0000
Message-ID: <1076376164.6790.26.camel@rea>

OK, any votes against end of March?
Say, Saturday March 27th?

Cheers,
	Dave.

On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 00:45, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
> > about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
> > I'd be game.
>
> dave's organising it, so it's his call.
>

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Jack Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:17 PM, 9nut@9netics.com wrote:
> I just checked BA; I can get round trip from Seattle for
> about 220-240 USD; has to be in late February or in March.
> I'd be game.

You're in Seattle, Lyndon is in Vancouver, BC, I'm halfway in between.

Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?

I am without car, so it's Vancouver for me. Or Edmonton when I head
back there (in mid-April methinks).

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[andrey mirtchovski]

>> Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?
>
> I am without car, so it's Vancouver for me. Or Edmonton when I head
> back there (in mid-April methinks).

I can rent a car and drive 21 hours to vancouver -- one of the most
beautiful drives through the mountains, bar the Banff-Jasper one --
for a weekend. I'm still at the age when this is considered fun :)

best for me is the summer...

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

--On 2004-2-9 9:15 PM -0700 andrey mirtchovski
<mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> wrote:

> I can rent a car and drive 21 hours to vancouver

21 hours from Vancouver? I guess you're planning on some road closures.
We made it here from Edmonton in 11 hours, and that was in a Budget 16
foot cube van!

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[andrey mirtchovski]

> --On 2004-2-9 9:15 PM -0700 andrey mirtchovski
> 21 hours from Vancouver? I guess you're planning on some road closures.
> We made it here from Edmonton in 11 hours, and that was in a Budget 16
> foot cube van!

11 is right..  must've slipped :) last time I did it was Sept 2002 --
12 hours with a stopover for a flat tire...

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Taj Khattra]

On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 09:28:56PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> 21 hours from Vancouver? I guess you're planning on some road closures.
> We made it here from Edmonton in 11 hours, and that was in a Budget 16
> foot cube van!

wow.  edm<->van is ~1250 kms, so you averaged over 110km/hr over
11 hours.  did you have a big box of tim horton's coupons or did
the cops in bc and alberta have the day off ?  :)

-taj

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> wow.  edm<->van is ~1250 kms, so you averaged over 110km/hr over
> 11 hours.

Correct.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

what's the road distance from baltimore to boston?

i did it just before the blizzard of  '93 -- 8 hours.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> You're in Seattle, Lyndon is in Vancouver, BC, I'm halfway in between.
>
> Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?

3 is practically a "coalition of the willing".  Count me in.
Halfway in between is about Whidbey Island latitude.  Right?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Jack Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:25 PM, 9nut@9netics.com wrote:
>> You're in Seattle, Lyndon is in Vancouver, BC, I'm halfway in between.
>>
>> Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?
>
> 3 is practically a "coalition of the willing".  Count me in.
> Halfway in between is about Whidbey Island latitude.  Right?

Bellingham, actually.

About halfway given the time to cross the border these days....

-Jack

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Vester Thacker]

On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:48:50PM -0800, Jack Johnson wrote:
>
> You're in Seattle, Lyndon is in Vancouver, BC, I'm halfway in between.
>
> Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?

Cool, it looks like we have a trend going on here. Plan 9 meetings
springing up around the world.

Be sure to take pictures and share with the rest of us. ;)

-- Vester Thacker

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Dave Lukes]

> Cool, it looks like we have a trend going on here. Plan 9 meetings
> springing up around the world.
>
> Be sure to take pictures and share with the rest of us. ;)

Definitely!
Also, how about an ongoing competition to find
the coolest Glenda item brought to a 9con?

(Eventually I intend to have a Glenda-shaped desktop box,
 but that's a long way off.)

Cheers,
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Also, how about an ongoing competition to find
> the coolest Glenda item brought to a 9con?

i'll be wearing my QAB 50's Style Rock 'n Bowl Bowling Shirt.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Adrian Tritschler]

Vester Thacker wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:48:50PM -0800, Jack Johnson wrote:
> 
>>You're in Seattle, Lyndon is in Vancouver, BC, I'm halfway in between.
>>
>>Maybe there are enough of us to gather regionally?

> Cool, it looks like we have a trend going on here. Plan 9 meetings
> springing up around the world. 
> 
> Be sure to take pictures and share with the rest of us. ;) 

Maybe its time for a "social" page in the plan9 wiki?

Hmmm, 48hours in aircraft and $1800 for a round trip to London... nah, I 
don't think so.

> -- Vester Thacker
	Adrian
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Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> Hmmm, 48hours in aircraft and $1800 for a round trip to London... nah, I
> don't think so.

long haul sucks, particularily in a C-130.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[George Michaelson]

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:23:35 +0100 "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> wrote:

>> Hmmm, 48hours in aircraft and $1800 for a round trip to London... nah, I
>> don't think so.
>
>long haul sucks, particularily in a C-130.

short haul in a herc is a hoot. I've done Melbourne->Launceston and apart
from the toilet, the sideways seating and general interior style was most
l33t. makes you wonder why the crew on 747s *dont* do a patrol with a torch to
check ducting and cable runs during flight...

-George

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Wes Kussmaul]

In 1968 I flew with my wife and baby daughter on an Iranian Air Force C-130
from Lajes Field in the Azores to Gander Air Force Base in Newfoundland.

I had committed the sin of disregarding US Air Force regulations on
accompaniment by dependents (hey, my wife and daughter can travel where
they please, they're not GIs like me...) and so not only did they keep us
off USAF flights but they told Canadian and British aircrews that they
(USAF) wouldn't service their planes if they took us. The Iranian AF used
Portuguese ground services, so it was no problem for them. They were
wonderfully hospitable to us outcasts.

If I make it to one of the 9cons I'll tell you the story of diplomatic
maneuverings to get GI families deported from the Azores. (This was during
Vietnam; the USAF had never before dealt with virtual conscripts like us,
who just wouldn't get with the program.)


At 09:32 PM 2/10/2004, George wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 03:23:35 +0100 "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> wrote:
>
> >> Hmmm, 48hours in aircraft and $1800 for a round trip to London... nah, I
> >> don't think so.
> >
> >long haul sucks, particularily in a C-130.
>
>short haul in a herc is a hoot. I've done Melbourne->Launceston and apart
>from the toilet, the sideways seating and general interior style was most
>l33t.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> In 1968 I flew with my wife and baby daughter on an Iranian Air Force
C-130
> from Lajes Field in the Azores to Gander Air Force Base in Newfoundland.

ouch!!

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Wes Kussmaul]

At 11:12 AM 2/11/2004, Rambo wrote:
> > In 1968 I flew with my wife and baby daughter on an Iranian Air Force
>C-130
> > from Lajes Field in the Azores to Gander Air Force Base in Newfoundland.
>
>ouch!!

It actually wasn't that bad. The hard part was turning back twice because
of arctic storms at our destination before finally finishing the flight. It
was December 23 and the Iranians were trying to figure out what was our big
rush to get home when one of them exclaimed, "Oh yes, Christmas!"

</OT>

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> It actually wasn't that bad. The hard part was turning back twice because
> of arctic storms at our destination before finally finishing the flight.

soon as i read Gander i thought 'hmm, could be mighty cold there'.

Re: [9fans] London 9con: voting so far

[Dave Lukes]

We're up to 9, and the vote looks like:
      9 Apr 17
      9 Jun 12
      9 Jun 19
      8 Apr 24
      8 May  1
      8 May  8
      8 May 15
      8 May 22
      8 May 29
      7 Mar 13
      6 Mar  6
      6 Mar 20
      6 Apr  3
      6 Apr 10
      6 Jun  5
      5 Mar 27
      4 Feb 28

Cheers,
	Dave.

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> So, you want to make suicide (Harakiri == Seppuku)? ☺

More like kiroshi, yes?

Or is there a word for dying of over indulgence in passion?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[boyd, rounin]

> More like kiroshi, yes?

kiroshi == death from overwork.

shi == death == 4 [yoku]

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Kenji Okamoto]

>> More like kiroshi, yes?
> 
> kiroshi == death from overwork.

Do you mean karoshi(Japanese 過労死) ?

shi == death == 4 ==死(shi)

Kenji

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[9nut]

> Do you mean karoshi(Japanese 過労死) ?

Yes.
So, is there a word for "death due to over indulgence in" some sort of fun activity?

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[Kenji Okamoto]

>> Do you mean karoshi(Japanese 過労死) ?
> 
> Yes.
> So, is there a word for "death due to over indulgence in" some sort of fun activity?

I don't know, however, these days the work "suicide due to restructueringリストラ死" 
maybe a profittable word here. ☺

Kenji

Re: [9fans] London 9con?

[YAMANASHI Takeshi]

> kiroshi == death from overwork.

k *A* roshi?

ka == over (too much)
ro == work
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