Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

[sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de>]

15.05.2024 16:18:49 Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com>:
> This thread is perhaps one of the best examples of the bizarre ecosystem that Plan 9 has evolved (devolved?) into. While I have not always understood Vic's choices, I was, in the past, aware of his /position/ at certain entities... and provided him with security information I hoped was relevant to that position at that time. He has been on the Plan 9 mailing list as long (or longer?) than I have (pre-2002?) and has always written his emails in the fashion he writes them currently.

I didn't know that he's been here for so long. It's sad that you both perceive the state of the mailing list community as it is.

I can also totally see that vic is trying to help. I just see that the help he's providing in the last few months wasn't very helpful, and it also wasn't well perceived by all readers.

However, I can also only judge from my perspective, and I'm only here for a few years now.

> Frankly, I don't even understand the point in attacking whether he is or is not "an LLM". He's actually trying to be helpful. Perhaps spending less time trolling everyone you don't understand (and inaccurately presume to be a troll), and instead trying to understand how they purport to add value, is a useful path forward.

I personally consider it a valid move to ask a LLM for help writing mails. It's just weird to do that on a mailing list like this. I doubt that vic used an AI or anything (I mean, why would he lie).

I can also see one or the other trolling attempt here, and I see only a few different reasons for that:

(1) People are tired because they're always reading the same arguments and defending themselves for the 1000th time. It's understandable that somw develop a trolling tone.

(2) People have fun trolling other people. In my opinion this belongs into human communication to some extent, but it shouldn't be endorsed and it should only happen in some safe space. On this mailing list, this is sometimes too much.

(3) People are trolls. In this case we're out of luck.

> There are other companies using Plan 9 in commercial operations/offerings, but I don't think they care to be a part of whatever this mailing list has become. 

(Still interested in learning about them.)

Sorry, I can't really perceive "whatever this mailing list has become". I'm not here for too long, and I probably don't see it as critical as you. I should note however that 9fans threads often are either non-existent (the list is very silent), half-dead or total drama (as this giga-thread). Compared to the 9front mailing list, there's almost only constructive work, feedback, steps forward.

I also notice that there's barely any software development going on here (almost no patches, no discussion). Is this because the mailing list evolved like that and people don't want to contribute in that environment, or is it the reason why it evolved like that?

Funnily enough, the 9fans discord community is very nice, helpful, I can barely see any trolling attempt at all (at least I can't remember anything like that).

sirjofri

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