Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

[sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de>]

Hey vic,

There are a few different issues I see with your mails:

First and most obvious, they sound like they're generated by some LLM (playing captain obvious here). People don't like to see this, it might be related to some language barrier. That impression is also supported by the content.

Which leads to the second point: the content of your mails make me feel like you feel the urge/need to help. While help is generally appreciated, it depends. If you can only help by organizing stuff then organizing "the one single plan 9 system" doesn't lead to anything because that doesn't exist. 9legacy and 9front are both organized by their contributors, who all work for free. No money, no demands, no big organization that tells them what to do. It would be better if you find another way to help, preferably one that doesn't incorporate mails so long that nobody wants to read them with content that nobody wants to know.

It is generally fine to share patches and also bug reports to the mailing lists (yes there's a separate 9front mailing list for 9front topics). For 9front, there's even a section in the fqa about bug reports. Note that all bug reports suck in some way, and people who work on the systems do it for free. Also, not all apparent bugs are bugs, so keep using plan 9 systems until you understand how it is supposed to work (or ask).

In general, the people on our mailing lists know how to work with each other. You'll occasionally see discussion about patches (especially on 9front), as well as about other topics. There are also other channels of communication (irc, mostly). Be assured that people communicate with each other, as far as they are willing to. I've never seen so much interaction between 9front and 9legacy as in the last few years.

Other than that, your mails often enough just state the obvious. People read between the lines to understand what the person means. This sometimes fails to work, but that's just part of human communication. Your ability to summarize a mailing list thread about three different topics into a list of 7 user story action points is not well perceived, which I can rotally understand: it doesn't help anyone.

My advice would be (not sure if it helps):

Write your mails. Write them, don't send them. Read them again carefully and think about the people reading it. They most likely understand as much as you, and they have all the track record of earlier discussions, so they very likely understand more than you. Things are as they are for a reason. Not always for a good reason, but for a reason. After thinking about your mail and the recipient, you may revise/rewrite your mail or just throw it away.

Last, we're not a company. People who do the work are the ones organizing. Those people don't like to see strangers organizing their stuff without any contribution. If you can write software, try to organize yourself and give something back to the community. Hunt for bugs and fix them, or write tools that helps people, or improve the documentation. This should help the community much more than top-level organization when there is no top-level.

I hope this mail finds you well, please read it with some smile. I don't want to hurt anyone, and text can be rude sometimes.

sirjofri

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