From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 16:20:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFSF3XMWFpNgm2MLyDiCpmTRPmmHZ6Wc5xr-EBQb0-+Jgmg2Nw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2be70a4-3d93-4663-a533-5ac90bbd5c66@posixcafe.org>
or rename that linkedin garbage to "using AI to disincentivize open
discussion communities"
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 4:16 PM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f/
>
> This linked-in article is frankly disgusting, I suggest you take this incorrect garbage down.
>
>
> On 5/17/24 07:43, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote:
> > It is only a first draft, and it is not a finished product. I'll correct the mistakes found.
> >
> > Thank you for the kind feedback.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> >
> > On Friday, May 17th, 2024 at 9:31 PM, qwx via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri May 17 13:33:21 +0200 2024, plan6@room3420.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> an other interesting reading :
> >>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm appalled and frankly furious about this article. It's blatant
> >> slander which can affect me in my professional career. I'm a phD
> >> candidate and my work is based on Plan 9 and developed on 9front; I
> >> was going to present it at iwp9 but could not once the venue was
> >> changed as it rendered it incompatible with my time table.
> >>
> >> The article lacks references to many of its claims, and the remaining
> >> ones directly contradict its points. The Register article is even
> >> linked incorrectly. A superficial reader would not bother to try to
> >> follow the links or find the article. For me this is clearly
> >> malicious attention-seeking.
> >>
> >> Regarding the pdf posted earlier[1], almost all of it is factually
> >> incorrect. As an example, there are no drivers for modern nvidia or
> >> amd chips or bluetooth. Many of the "system calls" listed in the pdf
> >> are not system calls (proccreate) or simply don't exit (vlongtime),
> >> and so on. In addition, it is trivial to recreate the same content
> >> with a query like the following: `Generate a detailed book-style
> >> document called "Revitalizing Plan 9: integrating modern enhacements
> >> into 9legacy" detailing all improvements introduced in 9front compared
> >> to 9legacy'. See for yourself in an excerpt below my email.
> >>
> >> I don't understand what the goal here is. All this post and pdf
> >> accomplish is spreading misinformation, promoting cancel culture,
> >> fostering community division and discouraging collaboration with
> >> 9front and even 9legacy, directly contradicting both Vic's claims and
> >> that of those who have sided with him in the thread. At this point,
> >> use of chatgpt in this thread is blatant and harmful. Please stop.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> qwx
> >>
> >> [1] https://link.storjshare.io/s/jx6tw46kfxskld45ussjek46ccpq/revitalizing-project/RevitalizingPlan9.pdf
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Revitalizing Plan 9: Integrating Modern Enhancements into 9legacy
> >> Introduction
> >> Plan 9 from Bell Labs has long been recognized for its innovative approach to distributed computing. However, as hardware and software technologies advanced, the need for a more modernized version of Plan 9 became apparent. This need led to the development of 9front, a fork of Plan 9 that incorporates numerous enhancements and updates, surpassing 9legacy in several key areas. This document details these improvements, offering a comprehensive comparison of the advancements introduced in 9front over 9legacy.
> >>
> >> Chapter 1: Graphics and Video Drivers
> >> Improved Graphics Hardware Support
> >> One of the most significant areas of enhancement in 9front is its support for modern graphics hardware. This includes:
> >>
> >> Support for Newer GPUs: 9front integrates drivers for the latest GPU models, ensuring compatibility with modern graphics cards from manufacturers like NVIDIA and AMD.
> >> Enhanced Frame Buffer Device: The frame buffer device driver has been optimized for better performance, providing smoother graphics rendering and faster display updates.
> >> Broad Chipset Compatibility: 9front supports a wider range of graphics chipsets, allowing it to run on diverse hardware configurations with improved stability and performance.
> >> Advanced Video Handling
> >> 9front has made considerable strides in handling video output, particularly with high-resolution and multi-monitor setups.
> >>
> >> High-Resolution Display Support: Enhanced support for high-resolution displays, including 4K monitors, ensures crisp and clear visuals.
> >> Multi-Monitor Configurations: Improved multi-monitor support allows users to extend their desktop across multiple screens seamlessly, enhancing productivity and usability.
> >>
> >> Chapter 2: Networking
> >> [...]
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