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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2024 21:46:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W6g1_FArEhmou5=YyE2ftwAsXvGwHpsffhm8vp1gg3m8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E2537FE8B73C40AACCD8253795DE54A6@eigenstate.org>

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 9:33 PM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
> I don't think this approach has ever worked in
> the open source world -- it always starts with
> someone building something useful. The vision
> and goal is defined by the work being done.
>
> After something useful is built, people start
> to join in and contribute.
>
> After enough people join in, it makes sense to
> have more organization.

I remain mystified by the desired end state here.  For all intents and
purposes, as far as the wider world is concerned, 9front is plan 9.
I'm not sure I'd want that burden, to be honest, but that's just me.
That aside, realistically, 9front is the only thing in the plan 9
world that has energy behind it.

On the other hand, there's 9legacy, which pulls together some useful
patches and attempts to carry on in a manner imagined to be closer to
what Bell Labs did. That's fine; it's low activity, but people are
busy, have lives to live, all that stuff. Regardless, some people seem
to be genuinely offended by its existence, and I can't really
understand why.

Meanwhile, the people actually doing any work are in communication
with one another, regardless of what label is applied to the software
running on their individual computers, which is as it should be.

So what is it, exactly, that people want?

        - Dan C.

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2024-05-08 16:06 [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-08 16:29 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 19:16   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-08 20:10     ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:52       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-09  9:05         ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 11:05           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-09 14:04             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-09 16:30               ` kvik
2024-05-09 14:07             ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-09 14:13               ` ori
2024-05-10 10:58                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-10 13:01                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-10 14:24                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 18:25                   ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:15                     ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 19:34                       ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                         ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:16                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11 20:21                             ` Dan Cross
2024-05-12 13:16                             ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? Richard Miller
2024-05-12 13:59                               ` tlaronde
2024-05-12 14:25                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:43                                 ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 17:09                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:32                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 11:00                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 22:43                                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-13 11:41                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:47                                     ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 12:51                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-13 13:02                                         ` David du Colombier
2024-05-13 13:05                                         ` [9fans] golang dependency on python3 Richard Miller
2024-05-13 14:13                                       ` [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ? hiro
2024-05-12 15:19                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12 18:19                               ` ori
2024-05-12 20:10                                 ` ori
2024-05-13 10:18                                   ` Richard Miller
2024-05-13 10:48                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:48                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:06                                       ` Richard Miller
2024-05-12 21:15                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-12 18:23                         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-09 10:55         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 16:16           ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 19:08             ` [9fans] fossil Richard Miller
2024-05-09 19:50         ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front hiro
2024-05-10  4:44           ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) vic.thacker
2024-05-10  7:33             ` Lallero
2024-05-10  8:47               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-10  9:07                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 10:21                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 11:53                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 12:20                       ` Lallero
2024-05-10 12:38                       ` thedaemon via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:19                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-10 13:18                       ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-10 13:38                       ` kvik
2024-05-10 14:54                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:26                           ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:12                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-11 22:27                               ` hiro
2024-05-11 22:50                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12  0:43                                   ` ori
2024-05-12  2:55                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-12  7:19                                       ` plan6
2024-05-12 11:45                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 11:53                                           ` hiro
2024-05-12 11:56                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 12:18                                               ` plan6
2024-05-12 12:41                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-12 13:21                                                     ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:47                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 13:23                                                   ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-12 15:11                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-12 15:55                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-12 16:56                                                         ` vester.thacker
2024-05-12 13:11                                                 ` plan6
2024-05-12 13:09                                               ` hiro
2024-05-12 18:36                                           ` ori
2024-05-13  0:21                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  1:32                                               ` ori
2024-05-13  1:46                                                 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2024-05-13  1:56                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:09                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  3:52                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  4:06                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  4:42                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  5:16                                                         ` clinton
2024-05-13  5:33                                                       ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  5:54                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:07                                                           ` ron minnich
2024-05-13  6:14                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:44                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  8:10                                                           ` sirjofri
2024-05-13  8:42                                                             ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:38                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:55                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 12:56                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 13:59                                                                     ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 21:01                                                                       ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13 21:17                                                                     ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 14:12                                                                       ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:02                                                                         ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 16:30                                                                           ` B. Atticus Grobe
2024-05-14 16:39                                                                             ` arnold
2024-05-14 17:54                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-14 18:38                                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-14 19:05                                                                                 ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 19:44                                                                                   ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-16 11:51                                                                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-14 23:19                                                                                   ` michaelian ennis
2024-05-15  4:46                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  5:55                                                                                       ` Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] vic.thacker
2024-05-15  6:11                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  6:41                                                                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  7:39                                                                                             ` plan6
2024-05-15  9:17                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 10:08                                                                                                 ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 10:35                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 12:04                                                                                                   ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  8:38                                                                                             ` sirjofri
2024-05-15  9:25                                                                                               ` Aleksandar Kuktin
2024-05-15 13:58                                                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 14:18                                                                                                 ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 14:56                                                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:04                                                                                                     ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                       ` sirjofri
2024-05-15 15:34                                                                                                         ` Jens Staal
2024-05-15 15:26                                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 14:52                                                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-15 13:29                                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-15  6:04                                                                                       ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15  9:02                                                                                         ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15  9:04                                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-15 13:38                                                                                           ` ori
2024-05-15 14:35                                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:18                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:20                                                                                               ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 15:39                                                                                                 ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 15:53                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:10                                                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:20                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:51                                                                                                         ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 16:54                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 17:00                                                                                                             ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-15 17:03                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 17:36                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 18:32                                                                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:06                                                                                                               ` Steve Simon
2024-05-15 22:17                                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 22:38                                                                                                                   ` Steve Simon
2024-05-16  9:17                                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:51                                                                                                     ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:37                                                                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:45                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-18 12:58                                                                                                           ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 18:11                                                                                                       ` [9fans] fossil [was: List of companies that use Plan 9.] Richard Miller
2024-05-17 18:14                                                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 19:14                                                                                                           ` David du Colombier
2024-05-17 19:45                                                                                                             ` wb.kloke
2024-05-18 13:53                                                                                                             ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-18 14:06                                                                                                               ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-18 14:24                                                                                                                 ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-15 15:52                                                                                                 ` [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9 Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                   ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:06                                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:13                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:22                                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:28                                                                                                           ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:17                                                                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 16:21                                                                                                       ` Don Bailey
2024-05-15 16:27                                                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:56                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 15:28                                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:57                                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-15 16:19                                                                                                   ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-15 15:36                                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-14 17:30                                                                             ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15  5:48                                                               ` John the Scott
2024-05-15  9:34                                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-15 13:18                                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2024-05-15 13:46                                                                   ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:26                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:30                                                                 ` vester.thacker
2024-05-13  9:22                                                             ` [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:56                                                               ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  9:57                                                               ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 10:12                                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:40                                                                   ` sirjofri
2024-05-13 11:01                                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:26                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 12:08                                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:35                                                                           ` G B via 9fans
2024-05-13 13:50                                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:26                                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:32                                                                             ` ori
2024-05-13 14:47                                                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:15                                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:12                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13 15:03                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 15:20                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-13  6:01                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:18                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:23                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:55                                                         ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  7:27                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:47                                                             ` tlaronde
2024-05-13  8:00                                                             ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:04                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 10:52                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:13                                                           ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13  2:16                                                 ` clinton
2024-05-13  2:33                                                   ` ori
2024-05-13  2:36                                                   ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  3:02                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  7:55                                                   ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 10:43                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-13  3:45                                                 ` vic.thacker
2024-05-13  5:45                                                   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:04                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:22                                                       ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  6:21                                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13  6:58                                                       ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 10:27                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13  1:37                                               ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-13  2:53                                               ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13  9:38                                               ` hiro
2024-05-13  9:45                                                 ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 11:11                                                   ` hiro
2024-05-13 11:56                                                     ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 14:01                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-13 14:39                                                       ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 14:46                                                         ` ori
2024-05-13 15:04                                                         ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 15:56                                                           ` ibrahim via 9fans
2024-05-13 16:41                                                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-13 17:01                                                             ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-13 17:59                                                               ` adventures in9
2024-05-13 18:07                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:45                                                                 ` Matt Wilbur
2024-05-13 18:04                                                             ` hiro
2024-05-17 10:06                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 11:09                                                                 ` ori
2024-05-17 11:11                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 11:32                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 12:14                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 13:50                                                                       ` Clout Tolstoy
2024-05-17 14:22                                                                         ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:35                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:58                                                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2024-05-17 15:36                                                                           ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:31                                                                     ` qwx via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:43                                                                       ` Samuel Reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 14:14                                                                         ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 14:20                                                                           ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:46                                                                             ` Michael Kerpan
2024-05-17 14:59                                                                               ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:58                                                                               ` hiro
2024-05-17 16:59                                                                               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 17:22                                                                                 ` hiro
2024-05-17 17:50                                                                                   ` fig
2024-05-17 18:03                                                                                     ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-17 20:09                                                                                       ` hiro
2024-05-17 20:06                                                                                     ` hiro
2024-05-17 23:08                                                                                       ` fig
2024-05-17 23:32                                                                                         ` hiro
2024-05-17 14:49                                                                           ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-17 15:48                                                                             ` vester.thacker
2024-05-17 16:12                                                                         ` Noam Preil
2024-05-17 12:47                                                                     ` ori
2024-05-17 15:51                                                                     ` Kurt H Maier via 9fans
2024-05-18  3:32                                                                       ` vester.thacker
2024-05-18  7:10                                                                         ` sirjofri
2024-05-17 12:26                                                               ` samuel.reader via 9fans
2024-05-17 12:49                                                                 ` Steve Simon
2024-05-17 15:02                                                                   ` plan6
2024-05-17 13:11                                                                 ` hiro
     [not found]                                       ` <2eaaa7c4-ea43-4c97-bf33-9a78964debb3@app.fastmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <4a1cb1b6-869d-4697-8d63-fd949f6be596@posixcafe.org>
2024-05-12 11:40                                           ` vic.thacker
2024-05-17 16:23               ` Noam Preil
2024-05-10  8:17           ` [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front Lucio De Re
2024-05-10  8:26             ` Charles Forsyth
2024-05-10  8:48               ` Lucio De Re
2024-05-11 16:37               ` hiro
2024-05-10 17:09             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-11  9:45               ` David du Colombier
2024-05-11 19:51                 ` hiro
2024-05-11 19:59                   ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:04                     ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:08                       ` Dan Cross
2024-05-11 20:29                         ` hiro
2024-05-11 20:58                           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2024-05-11 21:03                             ` hiro
2024-05-11 21:14                               ` Skip Tavakkolian

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