* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) @ 2021-03-09 16:21 Norman Wilson 2021-03-09 20:11 ` Henry Bent 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Norman Wilson @ 2021-03-09 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs In the Seventh Edition manual, a joke was added to the entry for kill(1). It appears in every following Research manual, but seems to have been discarded by all modern descendants. I guess the prejudice against humour in the manual is extreme these days. Norman Wilson Toronto ON ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 16:21 [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) Norman Wilson @ 2021-03-09 20:11 ` Henry Bent 2021-03-09 20:22 ` Steffen Nurpmeso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Henry Bent @ 2021-03-09 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Norman Wilson; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 549 bytes --] -.TH KILL 1 -.SH NAME -kill \- terminate a process with extreme prejudice One of my favorite references. At least the offensive fortunes still survive in some form? -Henry On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 11:24, Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote: > In the Seventh Edition manual, a joke was added to > the entry for kill(1). It appears in every following > Research manual, but seems to have been discarded > by all modern descendants. > > I guess the prejudice against humour in the manual > is extreme these days. > > Norman Wilson > Toronto ON > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 941 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 20:11 ` Henry Bent @ 2021-03-09 20:22 ` Steffen Nurpmeso 2021-03-09 20:36 ` Henry Bent 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Steffen Nurpmeso @ 2021-03-09 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Henry Bent; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Henry Bent wrote in <CAEdTPBcGT_8fdrD10Gp_D3DZAWTEMyayGPEW0oEfWmwHoarsxw@mail.gmail.com>: |-.TH KILL 1 |-.SH NAME |-kill \- terminate a process with extreme prejudice | |One of my favorite references. | |At least the offensive fortunes still survive in some form? People do not have time to read such offensive terms, they bath in blood while playing Counter Strike (or another first person shooter), having their double quarter pounder at hand. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 20:22 ` Steffen Nurpmeso @ 2021-03-09 20:36 ` Henry Bent 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Henry Bent @ 2021-03-09 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Henry Bent, Norman Wilson, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 908 bytes --] On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 15:22, Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu> wrote: > Henry Bent wrote in > <CAEdTPBcGT_8fdrD10Gp_D3DZAWTEMyayGPEW0oEfWmwHoarsxw@mail.gmail.com>: > |-.TH KILL 1 > |-.SH NAME > |-kill \- terminate a process with extreme prejudice > | > |One of my favorite references. > | > |At least the offensive fortunes still survive in some form? > > People do not have time to read such offensive terms, they bath in > blood while playing Counter Strike (or another first person > shooter), having their double quarter pounder at hand. > Indeed. I think many people have been teenagers and been that person in some form or another, but outgrowing a phase of life doesn't mean forgetting or ignoring it. A quick grep through the CSRG CDs revealed that the phrase survived in 32v, as well as in some form of BSDs up to 4.3-Tahoe. mh also had a variant of it (wow, the irony...). -Henry [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1449 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 20:36 ` Henry Bent @ 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-09 22:46 ` Larry McVoy ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Rob Pike @ 2021-03-09 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Henry Bent; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 104 bytes --] I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed was the standard editor. -rob [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 168 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike @ 2021-03-09 22:46 ` Larry McVoy 2021-03-09 23:51 ` Steve Nickolas ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2021-03-09 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rob Pike; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society ed was my goto over any modem, it's very undemanding in terms of characters transferred. Can't tell you how many times I've done ed foo.c /^some_function 20p goto the line c whatever . w q So a lot of use so long as I was using dial up, some continued use when I was doing bring up and the tty driver was all screwed up so you are typing at some slow console. Once performance wasn't an issue, it was vi all the time. I did a year in emacs, never warmed up to it, I know some people love it, I MUCH preferred the way vi works. So back to vi, some time spent in xvi because I was on 4MB main memory Sun machines so I made a version of libc that treated \n like normal libc treats \0, then changed xvi so it used mmap(2) to map the file instead of reading it in and strdup()ing every line. I did that because I was looking at performance logs and the very most I could fit into memory was 1/2 of what I could fit into memory with mmap(). That 2x bigger was a big deal to me, I was in out of those logs all the time. xvi also had buffers, like emacs, you could be looking at 2 files at once or 2 different regions of the same file. Then vim came along and it had everything I wanted and I didn't have to support it so I have been in vim since 1996 (that's the last time the xvi source that I have was touched). If things get wonky, ed still works, which is pleasant. But 99.9% of the time I'm in vim, I'm in it right now, typing this. I still use mutt(1) as my mail reader and I wacked it to drop me into vim. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 09:30:46AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed > was the standard editor. > > -rob -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-09 22:46 ` Larry McVoy @ 2021-03-09 23:51 ` Steve Nickolas 2021-03-10 0:01 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-10 18:37 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri 2021-03-10 2:34 ` Nemo Nusquam 2021-03-12 2:48 ` John Cowan 3 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Steve Nickolas @ 2021-03-09 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed > was the standard editor. > > -rob > I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard text editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one uses either anymore.) -uso. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 23:51 ` Steve Nickolas @ 2021-03-10 0:01 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-10 0:13 ` Anthony Martin 2021-03-10 18:37 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rob Pike @ 2021-03-10 0:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Nickolas; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 990 bytes --] The phrase disappeared from the manuals at some point. I might have committed the offense myself: The Research Unix manuals all continue the phrase, but the Plan 9 ones say: ED(1) ED(1) NAME ed - text editor SYNOPSIS ed [ - ] [ -o ] [ file ] DESCRIPTION Ed is a venerable text editor. I likely made the "venerable" substitution. I regret that now. Ed is the standard editor. -rob On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:53 AM Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: > > > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed > > was the standard editor. > > > > -rob > > > > I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) > > Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard text > editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one uses > either anymore.) > > -uso. > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 6809 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-10 0:01 ` Rob Pike @ 2021-03-10 0:13 ` Anthony Martin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Anthony Martin @ 2021-03-10 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rob Pike; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> once said: > I likely made the "venerable" substitution. I regret that now. 9front is carrying the torch. changeset: 4289:e62c2add78cd parent: 4287:cc0dd57e33f1 user: khm date: Fri Feb 20 15:09:25 2015 -0500 files: sys/man/1/ed description: restore balance to reality diff --git a/sys/man/1/ed b/sys/man/1/ed --- a/sys/man/1/ed +++ b/sys/man/1/ed @@ -14,7 +14,7 @@ ] .SH DESCRIPTION .I Ed -is a venerable text editor. +is the standard text editor. .PP If a .I file ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 23:51 ` Steve Nickolas 2021-03-10 0:01 ` Rob Pike @ 2021-03-10 18:37 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri 2021-03-10 19:49 ` Andy Kosela 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri @ 2021-03-10 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Nickolas; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: > > > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed > > was the standard editor. > > > > -rob > > > > I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) > > Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard text > editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one uses > either anymore.) > > -uso. Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally scripted on smaller documents. I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. One of my big sorrows is not *having* to deal with ed(1) as a youngster or student, over slow modem links. I think I would appreciate Unix even more now if I had. I was born one or two decades too late. ed(1) is still the standard editor though, and so is ex(1) and vi(1), at least if POSIX is to be believed :-) -- Andreas (Kusalananda) Kähäri SciLifeLab, NBIS, ICM Uppsala University, Sweden . ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-10 18:37 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri @ 2021-03-10 19:49 ` Andy Kosela 2021-03-10 20:17 ` Ken Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Andy Kosela @ 2021-03-10 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Nickolas, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On 3/10/21, Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri <andreas.kahari@abc.se> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: >> >> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that >> > ed >> > was the standard editor. >> > >> > -rob >> > >> >> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) >> >> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard >> text >> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one uses >> either anymore.) >> >> -uso. > > Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the > way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally > scripted on smaller documents. > > I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of > my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more > and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too > complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing > language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore > forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. This comment resonates with me so much. I am enjoying these days mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with. There is a certain beauty in the term "less is more". And nothing is more satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode. No GUIs, no distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text. That's UNIX for me. These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro communities around the world. There are still tons of new programs and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's. Still it appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement. I think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the old ways. I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its main core values: simplicity and minimalism. The hardware was much simpler too back in the days. Long live the ed(1) and vi(1). --Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-10 19:49 ` Andy Kosela @ 2021-03-10 20:17 ` Ken Thompson 2021-03-10 20:30 ` Rob Pike 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Ken Thompson @ 2021-03-10 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2655 bytes --] back to original title - manual humour. my favorite was in the "form" command. -- credit to mcilroy. "If one of the special characters [{]}\ is preceded by a \, it loses its special character." On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andykosela.com> wrote: > On 3/10/21, Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri <andreas.kahari@abc.se> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: > >> > >> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that > >> > ed > >> > was the standard editor. > >> > > >> > -rob > >> > > >> > >> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) > >> > >> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard > >> text > >> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one uses > >> either anymore.) > >> > >> -uso. > > > > Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the > > way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally > > scripted on smaller documents. > > > > I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of > > my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find > > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more > > and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too > > complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing > > language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore > > forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. > > This comment resonates with me so much. I am enjoying these days > mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with. There is a > certain beauty in the term "less is more". And nothing is more > satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real > terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode. No GUIs, no > distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text. > That's UNIX for me. > > These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro > communities around the world. There are still tons of new programs > and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's. Still it > appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement. I > think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the > old ways. I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its > main core values: simplicity and minimalism. The hardware was much > simpler too back in the days. > > Long live the ed(1) and vi(1). > > --Andy > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3430 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-10 20:17 ` Ken Thompson @ 2021-03-10 20:30 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-11 3:54 ` George Michaelson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Rob Pike @ 2021-03-10 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ken Thompson; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3083 bytes --] For the kids on my lawn, ed(1) is a whole man page of humor. I thought that "special character" trope was written by dmr. He certainly loved it. Also didn't it originate in something about regular expressions, like the ed or grep page? Doug can confirm. -rob On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:18 AM Ken Thompson <kenbob@gmail.com> wrote: > > back to original title - manual humour. > my favorite was in the "form" command. > -- credit to mcilroy. > > "If one of the special characters [{]}\ is preceded > by a \, it loses its special character." > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andykosela.com> > wrote: > >> On 3/10/21, Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri <andreas.kahari@abc.se> wrote: >> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: >> >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: >> >> >> >> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that >> >> > ed >> >> > was the standard editor. >> >> > >> >> > -rob >> >> > >> >> >> >> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) >> >> >> >> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard >> >> text >> >> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one >> uses >> >> either anymore.) >> >> >> >> -uso. >> > >> > Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the >> > way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally >> > scripted on smaller documents. >> > >> > I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of >> > my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find >> > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more >> > and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too >> > complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing >> > language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore >> > forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. >> >> This comment resonates with me so much. I am enjoying these days >> mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with. There is a >> certain beauty in the term "less is more". And nothing is more >> satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real >> terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode. No GUIs, no >> distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text. >> That's UNIX for me. >> >> These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro >> communities around the world. There are still tons of new programs >> and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's. Still it >> appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement. I >> think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the >> old ways. I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its >> main core values: simplicity and minimalism. The hardware was much >> simpler too back in the days. >> >> Long live the ed(1) and vi(1). >> >> --Andy >> > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4133 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-10 20:30 ` Rob Pike @ 2021-03-11 3:54 ` George Michaelson 2021-03-11 4:57 ` Will Senn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: George Michaelson @ 2021-03-11 3:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society I Still use ed periodically. Less often, but sometimes. Sometimes, its for nostalgia. It never lasts. The past isn't as rosy as we like to think it was. You have to be very confident you know what your doing, to not wind up saying p a lot, to "see" it. It demands you think. Sometimes, it's for functionality. You kind of know you could do this in sed, but, you aren't 100% sure, ed means you can "look" at some /match lines and then craft the s/pat/repl/ and wq and go home. Thats kind of using p too. Sometimes, it's for expediency. You stuffed up. Nothing else seems to work. This editor works. Hammer, screw.. good enough. Ed can cope with very large data better than some alternatives. Less litter. I hate finding .swp files and vi -r is frankly disgusting. Its indeterminite what it is r(ecovering) from. don't get me started on #file or file~ trash either. I loved ed, and I lived in ed far more than ex/vi until about 1985/6 when something flipped. I think its possible, that vi muscle memory took over, and jove/gosmacs/emacs became too confusing (I had flirted with this but not coding LISP made it silly, I was really only using the keystroke-recording macro to do dirty edits by "yea, same as the last time" tricks) Mike Lesk showed me MGR. I actually got really depressed at that point. I felt like I'd been working under a rock, not understanding what was possible. Sunview kind of also sucked me in, with an emphasis on Sucked because it did. Not really about the editor, but the whole "ok THIS is what efficient looks like" combined with tiling and other things, it just made ed sort-of walk into the background a bit. Hard to focus when you're being offered a vision of 4D hypercube projected onto a 2D surface. I didn't stick on MGR. It was too off-beam of what other people around me were doing. I was asked if I could fix some minor nits in it, thats when I realised I lacked fundamental clue (it is also why I seem to be the only person I know who doesn't totally hate the idea of the google 'be this smart to enter' testing: It obviously DOES work to weed some people out) Socialised aspects of "what editor do you use" can't be under-estimated, for anyone who is essentially using tools not writing them. If you wrote an editor, you probably got to the right place faster. If you use one, you wind up being 10 years in before you ask yourself "how does infinite undo work really" and learn about things like Merkle trees or whatever. Editors do a lot. -G ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-11 3:54 ` George Michaelson @ 2021-03-11 4:57 ` Will Senn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Will Senn @ 2021-03-11 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: George Michaelson, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On 3/10/21 9:54 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > I Still use ed periodically. Less often, but sometimes. > > Thanks for reflecting on ed. It was interesting to hear your perspective. I love ed. I was only introduced to it a little over 6 years or so ago, but it's a beautiful thing. Of course, I use vi as my command line editor of choice :), but that doesn't diminish my enjoyment of using ed. I'm just way more comfortable in vi/vim. Interestingly, when I first learned there was such a thing as ed, I just figured it was unix's version of edlin, thankfully this wasn't even close to reality. Ed's regex support seems to be very straightforward yet quite powerful, and the small command set makes it simple to remember. - will ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike 2021-03-09 22:46 ` Larry McVoy 2021-03-09 23:51 ` Steve Nickolas @ 2021-03-10 2:34 ` Nemo Nusquam 2021-03-12 2:48 ` John Cowan 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Nemo Nusquam @ 2021-03-10 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs On 2021-03-09 17:30, Rob Pike wrote: > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that > ed was the standard editor. > > -rob > Ed, man! !man, ed. ( Sorry -- I could not resist. N. ) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) 2021-03-09 22:30 ` Rob Pike ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2021-03-10 2:34 ` Nemo Nusquam @ 2021-03-12 2:48 ` John Cowan 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: John Cowan @ 2021-03-12 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rob Pike; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 674 bytes --] On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:31 PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote: I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying that ed > was the standard editor. > They haven't. When a vi vs. Emacs (vel sim.) argument is swirling around me, I explain that ex(1) is the editor I use. People say "But ed(1) is the standard editor!" To which I reply, "Yes, but I'm willing to trade a little standardosity for a little convenience." John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org I Hope, Sir, that we are not mutually Un-friended by this Difference which hath happened betwixt us. --Thomas Fuller, Appeal of Injured Innocence (1659) [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2019 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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