[TUHS] interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[TUHS] interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[ron minnich]

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dc
>>>

it prompts with '>>> '

wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.

Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[ron minnich]

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dc on linux still behaves properly.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:39 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> dc
> >>>
>
> it prompts with '>>> '
>
> wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>
> Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Warner Losh]

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There is a BSDL DC that replaces gnu DC. The >>> is annoying, but gone in
newer versions I believe.

Warner

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 4:43 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> dc on linux still behaves properly.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:39 PM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dc
>> >>>
>>
>> it prompts with '>>> '
>>
>> wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>>
>> Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>>
>

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Steve Nickolas]

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, ron minnich wrote:

> dc
>>>>
>
> it prompts with '>>> '
>
> wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>
> Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.

I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with a 
G?  and his version did that.

Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.

-uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Joseph Holsten]

Is this it? https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc

> This bc also includes an implementation of dc in the same binary, accessible via a symbolic link, which implements all FreeBSD and GNU extensions. (If a standalone dc binary is desired, bc can be copied and renamed to dc.) The ! command is omitted; I believe this poses security concerns and that such functionality is unnecessary.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, at 15:49, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, ron minnich wrote:
>
>> dc
>>>>>
>>
>> it prompts with '>>> '
>>
>> wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>>
>> Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>
> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with a 
> G?  and his version did that.
>
> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.
>
> -uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Steve Nickolas]

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Joseph Holsten wrote:

> Is this it? https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc

That's the one.  I knew the guy's name started with a G.

How about OpenBSD's, though?  That's ISC-licensed (bc.library has 
potential issues but you can use NetBSD's 
usr/src/external/bsd/bc/libmath.b instead, it serves the same purpose and 
doesn't have a Caldera cloud over it).

-uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Dave Horsfall]

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:

> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with 
> a G? and his version did that.

On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):

    mackie:~ dave$ dc
    (^D)
    mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
    dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3

On my ancient FreeBSD server:

    aneurin% dc
    (^D)
    aneurin% dc -V
    dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD

Nil prompt in both cases.

> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.

Perhaps so, but I try to avoid using Penguin/OS and GNU...  I don't like 
its licence conditions ("free" it ain't), and I would rather write my own 
libraries than be constrained by Stallman's conditions.

-- Dave

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Larry McVoy]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 02:07:14PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> 
> > I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with 
> > a G? and his version did that.
> 
> On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> 
>     mackie:~ dave$ dc
>     (^D)
>     mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
>     dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> 
> On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> 
>     aneurin% dc
>     (^D)
>     aneurin% dc -V
>     dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> 
> Nil prompt in both cases.
> 
> > Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing???????.

I know this is about dc (which I think is under bc or is it the other way
around?) but to pick on GNU:

slovax ~ 'bc'
bc 1.06.95
Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
For details type `warranty'. 
slovax ~ alias bc
alias bc='bc -ql'

because, well, the same reason I run vi in terse mode.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Dan Cross]

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 10:11 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 02:07:14PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> >
> > > I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with
> > > a G? and his version did that.
> >
> > On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> >
> >     mackie:~ dave$ dc
> >     (^D)
> >     mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
> >     dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> >
> > On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> >
> >     aneurin% dc
> >     (^D)
> >     aneurin% dc -V
> >     dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> >
> > Nil prompt in both cases.
> >
> > > Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing???????.
>
> I know this is about dc (which I think is under bc or is it the other way
> around?)

The other way around. `bc` is a little interpreter that accepts infix
notation and has a fairly complete language built into it that
generates `dc` and delegates to that to do the actual mathematics.

> but to pick on GNU:
>
> slovax ~ 'bc'
> bc 1.06.95
> Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
> For details type `warranty'.
> slovax ~ alias bc
> alias bc='bc -ql'
>
> because, well, the same reason I run vi in terse mode.

Agreed. The copyright banner every time I run `bc` is excruciating.

The `-l` argument came up not too long ago elsewhere; someone asked
why `bc -l` is not the default. For those that don't know, `bc -l`
loads a library of math functions (sine/cosine, arctan, and a couple
of transcendentals) and sets the scale to 20 decimal points. It's very
useful, but I suspect the reason this wasn't the default is that
loading that library cost RAM and real cycles on a PDP-11 and for most
simple uses that wasn't necessary.

        - Dan C.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[ron minnich]

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Back in the day (mid 70s), Brian Kernighan and others from MH used to come
down to udel and talk about unix. CA 1976, udel was an early licensee, or
so we were told.

One of the funniest talks Brian gave concerned looking up words in a
dictionary, said words being all combinations of words you can spell from
looking at a desk calculator upside down. It was a Thing in the 70s, along
with disco balls I guess.

Anyway, he showed what you got when you started up the hopelessly
cumbersome look-up-a-word-at-a-time-in-webster's program that attempted to
be interactive.
"When you start it, it prints out its name and its version -- like we care
-- " -- at the words "like we care", the room just exploded in laughter.
That program was the perfect foil.

Every time I see this kind of ">>>" output from reimplementations of
programs such as dc, my only reaction is "like we care" :-)

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:44 AM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 10:11 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 02:07:14PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started
> with
> > > > a G? and his version did that.
> > >
> > > On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> > >
> > >     mackie:~ dave$ dc
> > >     (^D)
> > >     mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
> > >     dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> > >
> > > On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> > >
> > >     aneurin% dc
> > >     (^D)
> > >     aneurin% dc -V
> > >     dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> > >
> > > Nil prompt in both cases.
> > >
> > > > Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing???????.
> >
> > I know this is about dc (which I think is under bc or is it the other way
> > around?)
>
> The other way around. `bc` is a little interpreter that accepts infix
> notation and has a fairly complete language built into it that
> generates `dc` and delegates to that to do the actual mathematics.
>
> > but to pick on GNU:
> >
> > slovax ~ 'bc'
> > bc 1.06.95
> > Copyright 1991-1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006 Free Software
> Foundation, Inc.
> > This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
> > For details type `warranty'.
> > slovax ~ alias bc
> > alias bc='bc -ql'
> >
> > because, well, the same reason I run vi in terse mode.
>
> Agreed. The copyright banner every time I run `bc` is excruciating.
>
> The `-l` argument came up not too long ago elsewhere; someone asked
> why `bc -l` is not the default. For those that don't know, `bc -l`
> loads a library of math functions (sine/cosine, arctan, and a couple
> of transcendentals) and sets the scale to 20 decimal points. It's very
> useful, but I suspect the reason this wasn't the default is that
> loading that library cost RAM and real cycles on a PDP-11 and for most
> simple uses that wasn't necessary.
>
>         - Dan C.
>

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Steve Nickolas]

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Dave Horsfall wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>
>> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with
>> a G? and his version did that.
>
> On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
>
>    mackie:~ dave$ dc
>    (^D)
>    mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
>    dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
>
> On my ancient FreeBSD server:
>
>    aneurin% dc
>    (^D)
>    aneurin% dc -V
>    dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
>
> Nil prompt in both cases.
>
>> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.
>
> Perhaps so, but I try to avoid using Penguin/OS and GNU...  I don't like
> its licence conditions ("free" it ain't), and I would rather write my own
> libraries than be constrained by Stallman's conditions.
>
> -- Dave

I've dealt with fanboys telling me how to do GPL on my own stuff, and it 
left a sore taste in my mouth.  I don't care about the stuff I *use*, but 
it did leave me very negative about the GPL itself, and if it seems that 
some of the OS-building stuff I've been talking about here and elsewhere 
has anything to do with a grudge against GNU,...well...it does.

Still, GNU does seem to have more respect for precedent than a lot of 
johnny-come-lately coders trying to reimplement stuff themselves.

-uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[George Michaelson]

ggm@GGM-802602 ~ % uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
Darwin
dc 4.0.2
Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
ggm@GGM-802602 ~ %

finley% uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
FreeBSD
dc 5.2.2
Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
finley%

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:33 PM Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> >
> >> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with
> >> a G? and his version did that.
> >
> > On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> >
> >    mackie:~ dave$ dc
> >    (^D)
> >    mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
> >    dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> >
> > On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> >
> >    aneurin% dc
> >    (^D)
> >    aneurin% dc -V
> >    dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> >
> > Nil prompt in both cases.
> >
> >> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.
> >
> > Perhaps so, but I try to avoid using Penguin/OS and GNU...  I don't like
> > its licence conditions ("free" it ain't), and I would rather write my own
> > libraries than be constrained by Stallman's conditions.
> >
> > -- Dave
>
> I've dealt with fanboys telling me how to do GPL on my own stuff, and it
> left a sore taste in my mouth.  I don't care about the stuff I *use*, but
> it did leave me very negative about the GPL itself, and if it seems that
> some of the OS-building stuff I've been talking about here and elsewhere
> has anything to do with a grudge against GNU,...well...it does.
>
> Still, GNU does seem to have more respect for precedent than a lot of
> johnny-come-lately coders trying to reimplement stuff themselves.
>
> -uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[George Michaelson]

I should add both were /usr/bin/dc and I do NOT install into system
owned paths on these hosts. (for me Homebrew installs in /opt and
FreeBSD pkg installs in /usr/local)

-G

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:38 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
>
> ggm@GGM-802602 ~ % uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
> Darwin
> dc 4.0.2
> Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
> ggm@GGM-802602 ~ %
>
> finley% uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
> FreeBSD
> dc 5.2.2
> Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
> finley%
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:33 PM Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with
> > >> a G? and his version did that.
> > >
> > > On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> > >
> > >    mackie:~ dave$ dc
> > >    (^D)
> > >    mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
> > >    dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> > >
> > > On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> > >
> > >    aneurin% dc
> > >    (^D)
> > >    aneurin% dc -V
> > >    dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> > >
> > > Nil prompt in both cases.
> > >
> > >> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.
> > >
> > > Perhaps so, but I try to avoid using Penguin/OS and GNU...  I don't like
> > > its licence conditions ("free" it ain't), and I would rather write my own
> > > libraries than be constrained by Stallman's conditions.
> > >
> > > -- Dave
> >
> > I've dealt with fanboys telling me how to do GPL on my own stuff, and it
> > left a sore taste in my mouth.  I don't care about the stuff I *use*, but
> > it did leave me very negative about the GPL itself, and if it seems that
> > some of the OS-building stuff I've been talking about here and elsewhere
> > has anything to do with a grudge against GNU,...well...it does.
> >
> > Still, GNU does seem to have more respect for precedent than a lot of
> > johnny-come-lately coders trying to reimplement stuff themselves.
> >
> > -uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[George Michaelson]

I should also also add, Mac has >>> as  Rob noted. FreeBSD doesn't

-G

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:39 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
>
> I should add both were /usr/bin/dc and I do NOT install into system
> owned paths on these hosts. (for me Homebrew installs in /opt and
> FreeBSD pkg installs in /usr/local)
>
> -G
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:38 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
> >
> > ggm@GGM-802602 ~ % uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
> > Darwin
> > dc 4.0.2
> > Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
> > ggm@GGM-802602 ~ %
> >
> > finley% uname && dc --version |egrep git\|dc
> > FreeBSD
> > dc 5.2.2
> > Report bugs at: https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
> > finley%
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:33 PM Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I think there was one particular dc clone...guy whose name started with
> > > >> a G? and his version did that.
> > > >
> > > > On my ancient MacBook Pro (13-inch, mid 2010, High Sierra 10.13.6):
> > > >
> > > >    mackie:~ dave$ dc
> > > >    (^D)
> > > >    mackie:~ dave$ dc -V
> > > >    dc (GNU bc 1.06) 1.3
> > > >
> > > > On my ancient FreeBSD server:
> > > >
> > > >    aneurin% dc
> > > >    (^D)
> > > >    aneurin% dc -V
> > > >    dc (BSD bc) 1.3-FreeBSD
> > > >
> > > > Nil prompt in both cases.
> > > >
> > > >> Most Linux versions use GNU's which Does The Right Thing®™©.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps so, but I try to avoid using Penguin/OS and GNU...  I don't like
> > > > its licence conditions ("free" it ain't), and I would rather write my own
> > > > libraries than be constrained by Stallman's conditions.
> > > >
> > > > -- Dave
> > >
> > > I've dealt with fanboys telling me how to do GPL on my own stuff, and it
> > > left a sore taste in my mouth.  I don't care about the stuff I *use*, but
> > > it did leave me very negative about the GPL itself, and if it seems that
> > > some of the OS-building stuff I've been talking about here and elsewhere
> > > has anything to do with a grudge against GNU,...well...it does.
> > >
> > > Still, GNU does seem to have more respect for precedent than a lot of
> > > johnny-come-lately coders trying to reimplement stuff themselves.
> > >
> > > -uso.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Dan Cross]

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 10:41 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
> I should also also add, Mac has >>> as  Rob noted. FreeBSD doesn't

Hmm, interesting. I wonder what version of macOS you both are running?
My old trashcan Mac (soon to be replaced!) is running the
next-to-most-recent version and doesn't have the `>>> ` prompt. My
laptop, running the latest (Ventura?) does.

I don't think I blame Apple for this, but rather something upstream of them.

        - Dan C.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Joseph Holsten]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, at 06:15, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 10:41 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
>> I should also also add, Mac has >>> as  Rob noted. FreeBSD doesn't
>
> Hmm, interesting. I wonder what version of macOS you both are running?
> My old trashcan Mac (soon to be replaced!) is running the
> next-to-most-recent version and doesn't have the `>>> ` prompt. My
> laptop, running the latest (Ventura?) does.
>
> I don't think I blame Apple for this, but rather something upstream of them.

Per https://opensource.apple.com/releases/, they switched from 
macOS Monterey 12 with GNU bc 1.06 https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc/tree/bc-21/bc
to macOS 13 with GH bc 4.0.2 https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc/tree/bc-26/bc

I suspect this is similar to the replacement of bash with zsh for GPL avoidance. 

Interesting timeline though, https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc/src/tag/4.0.2 was released in 2021-05-01, https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc/src/tag/5.0.0 in 2021-08-08.

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Adam Thornton]

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I was hoping for a better easter egg.  I dunno about y'all but when I see
">>>" .... my mind goes a certain place.  Alas, no.

adam@m1-wired:~/git/phalanx/services/nublado$ dc
>>> boot dqa0

Parse error: bad character 't'
    <stdin>:1

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 2:09 PM Joseph Holsten <joseph@josephholsten.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, at 06:15, Dan Cross wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 10:41 PM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
> wrote:
> >> I should also also add, Mac has >>> as  Rob noted. FreeBSD doesn't
> >
> > Hmm, interesting. I wonder what version of macOS you both are running?
> > My old trashcan Mac (soon to be replaced!) is running the
> > next-to-most-recent version and doesn't have the `>>> ` prompt. My
> > laptop, running the latest (Ventura?) does.
> >
> > I don't think I blame Apple for this, but rather something upstream of
> them.
>
> Per https://opensource.apple.com/releases/, they switched from
> macOS Monterey 12 with GNU bc 1.06
> https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc/tree/bc-21/bc
> to macOS 13 with GH bc 4.0.2
> https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/bc/tree/bc-26/bc
>
> I suspect this is similar to the replacement of bash with zsh for GPL
> avoidance.
>
> Interesting timeline though, https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc/src/tag/4.0.2
> was released in 2021-05-01, https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc/src/tag/5.0.0
> in 2021-08-08.
>

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Bakul Shah]

dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.

> On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> dc
> >>>
> 
> it prompts with '>>> '
> 
> wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it. 
> 
> Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it. 

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[ron minnich]

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How do you write a dc that doesn't compile?

The mind reels.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 7:16 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:

> dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
> The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.
>
> > On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > dc
> > >>>
> >
> > it prompts with '>>> '
> >
> > wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
> >
> > Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>
>

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[George Michaelson]

anything which links to libreadline...

-G

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 10:22 AM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How do you write a dc that doesn't compile?
>
> The mind reels.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 7:16 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
>>
>> dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
>> The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.
>>
>> > On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > dc
>> > >>>
>> >
>> > it prompts with '>>> '
>> >
>> > wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>> >
>> > Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>>

[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Joseph Holsten]

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Supposedly https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/contrib/bc is kept up to date, so I’d suspect the issue lies on the macOS side.


On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, at 16:20, ron minnich wrote:
> How do you write a dc that doesn't compile?
> 
> The mind reels.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 7:16 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
>> dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
>> The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.
>> 
>> > On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > dc
>> > >>>
>> > 
>> > it prompts with '>>> '
>> > 
>> > wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it. 
>> > 
>> > Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it. 
>> 

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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Bakul Shah]

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Probably because MacOS moved things around or is intent on breaking things?
I didn't investigate. It compiles fine on FreeBSD.

> On Jan 22, 2023, at 4:20 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you write a dc that doesn't compile?
> 
> The mind reels.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 7:16 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org <mailto:bakul@iitbombay.org>> wrote:
>> dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
>> The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.
>> 
>> > On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com <mailto:rminnich@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > dc
>> > >>>
>> > 
>> > it prompts with '>>> '
>> > 
>> > wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it. 
>> > 
>> > Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it. 
>> 


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[TUHS] Re: interesting case of not getting the point: dc on a mac

[Rob Pike]

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Pretty much everything in the dc man page on my mac raises my hackles. Not
limited to changing behavior when you're on a TTY. (Also: NO ONE HAS BEEN
ON A TTY FOR DECADES!)

I am such an old grump.

-rob


On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:41 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:

> Probably because MacOS moved things around or is intent on breaking things?
> I didn't investigate. It compiles fine on FreeBSD.
>
> On Jan 22, 2023, at 4:20 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How do you write a dc that doesn't compile?
>
> The mind reels.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 7:16 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
>
>> dc -V on MacOS shows 4.0.2. Repo link in the output of dc -V.
>> The current version is 6.2.2 but it doesn't compile on Ventura.
>>
>> > On Jan 22, 2023, at 3:39 PM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > dc
>> > >>>
>> >
>> > it prompts with '>>> '
>> >
>> > wonder where that came from? First time I've seen it.
>> >
>> > Seems to have a certain lack of understanding attached to it.
>>
>>
>

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