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From: Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de,
	TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SCCS
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:03:12 +0200
Message-ID: <20190913230312.XaeCQ%steffen@sdaoden.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com>

Larry McVoy wrote in <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com>:
 |On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:11:04PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
 |> emanuel stiebler wrote in <8db2e89c-ce50-a453-e38a-ecdfe69a746c@e-bbes.c\
 |> om>:
 |>|On 2019-09-12 19:29, Clem Cole wrote:
 |>|> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:16 PM Eric Allman <tuhs@eric.allman.name
 |>|> <mailto:tuhs@eric.allman.name>> wrote:
 |>|> 
 |>|>     ??At thispoint I'm using git because, well, all the cool kids are
 |>|>     doing it, and
 |>|>     since I work at the university I have to go with the flow sometimes\
 |>|>     .
 |>|>     And git has some nice properties.?? On the other hand, I have \
 |>|>     shot myself
 |>|>     in the foot with git more times than the sum of all other screwups \
 |>|>     \
 |>|>     with
 |>|>     all other source management systems combined.
 |>|> 
 |>|>     eric
 |>|> 
 |>|> +1??
 |>|
 |>|I have this one on the waqll in the office:
 |>|https://xkcd.com/1597/
 |> 
 |> I for one am so happy to have git that i cannot tell you how much
 |> that is.  I have used rcs, cvs, subversion, back to cvs,
 ...
 |> All of it has been a pain here or there.  Yes, the weave.  Schily
 |> wants to provide real changeset support for sccs (tagging is real
 |> problem), i think.  
 |
 |I don't know why, BitKeeper does that and is open source under 
 |a liberal license (Apache v2).

Diversity is something good i would say.  With the constraint that
it is real diversity, as nature produces, not as in modern times
where the supermarket has two dozen sorts of margarine, and in the
end it comes from Kraft or Nestle, which bought together
a sortiment, and that is basically it, which (i bore you) has to
result in save effects which dilutes recipes or ingredients.  (I
am the happy eater of Alsan-S, and are paying not getting paid for
it.  But that is ok.)  So in fact this diversity rather is
BitKeeper and Sun SCCS only.  Yet two hears are better than one,
sang Frank Sinatra.

He is as convinced from SCCS and its interleaved deltas as you
are, but he works on extending the plain original SCCS, which is
pretty smaller; his presentation from the "Chemnitzer Linux Tage
2012" (linux days of former Karl-Marx-Stadt) [1] talks about this
and also prominently mentions BitKeeper:

  . All modern distributed OSS version control systems base upon
    BitKeeper in the end.
  . BitKeeper bases upon the ideas of TeamWare.
  . TeamWare bases upon the ideas of NSE.
  . NSE is a frontend to SCCS.
  . Therewith all modern systems ultimately base upon SCCS.
  . Distributed operate TeamWare, BitKeeper, git, Mercurial.

This logic convinces me.  First, we take Manhattan, then we take
Berlin.  His SCCS is not a competitor to the BitKeeper suite, of
course.  But it roots in the original Sun code, just as Heirloom
SCCS.

  [1] http://sccs.sourceforge.net/SCCS-Chemnitz-2012.pdf

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

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Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-09  6:25 [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-09  6:36 ` arnold
2019-09-10 15:16 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11  0:28   ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11  3:53   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-11 15:36     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 16:55       ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was " Charles H Sauer
2019-09-12 19:31         ` Kevin Bowling
2019-09-12 20:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 21:09             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses - Series/1 NUXI Ronald Natalie
2019-09-12 21:31             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-12 22:30             ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:12               ` reed
2019-09-12 23:22                 ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:29               ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses Warren Toomey
2019-09-13  7:06                 ` arnold
2019-09-13  8:30                 ` SPC
2019-09-14 18:29                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-12 21:29           ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Charles H Sauer
2019-09-11 17:49       ` [TUHS] " Richard Salz
2019-09-11 17:52         ` ron
2019-09-11 21:44           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 18:11       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 18:18         ` Richard Salz
2019-09-11 18:54           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 21:05             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:34             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:57             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:50               ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-11 21:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 21:50         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:49         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  3:43           ` [TUHS] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  4:20             ` George Michaelson
2019-09-12  4:31               ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12 13:44                 ` Tony Finch
2019-09-13  4:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13  5:54                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  8:00                       ` Peter Jeremy
2019-09-13 15:23                         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:36                         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  4:28             ` [TUHS] SCCS Jon Forrest
2019-09-12  4:33               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  6:12                 ` William Corcoran
2019-09-12 14:35                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13  5:22                 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  5:50                   ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-12 16:45               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-12 17:29                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 17:47                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-13  8:12                   ` emanuel stiebler
2019-09-13 21:11                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 21:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:48                         ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-13 23:12                           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 23:03                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso [this message]
2019-09-14  1:55                           ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:23                             ` [TUHS] SCCS Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-16 20:31                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17 17:57                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-18  8:48                               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-18 17:33                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-12 20:07             ` Nemo
2019-09-11 16:05   ` [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Paul Winalski
2019-09-11 17:14     ` ron
2019-09-14  0:44   ` [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) reed
2019-09-14  2:53     ` Warner Losh
2019-09-15  2:18       ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15  2:39         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15  3:24         ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-14 22:46     ` Clem cole
2019-09-15  0:58       ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-15  3:30         ` Eric Allman
2019-09-15  4:21           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-15  5:17             ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:14               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 20:21                 ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:12           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 21:28             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15 23:27               ` Clem cole
2019-09-15 23:45                 ` Richard Salz
2019-09-15  7:43     ` Andy Kosela
2019-09-12  4:25 [TUHS] SCCS Jon Steinhart
2019-09-13 21:37 Norman Wilson
2019-09-13 21:51 ` Larry McVoy

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