[9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Jacob Moody]

On 10/23/23 16:05, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.

What is the context here? What are you trying to do?

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 17:14, Jacob Moody wrote:
> On 10/23/23 16:05, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.
> 
> What is the context here? What are you trying to do?
> 
My machine's battery is not detected by aux/acpi, meaning that 
/dev/battery never shows up, meaning that neither bar nor stats can show 
what is a critical piece of information.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[B. Atticus Grobe]

On 10/23/23 16:48, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> On 10/23/23 17:14, Jacob Moody wrote:
>> On 10/23/23 16:05, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.
>>
>> What is the context here? What are you trying to do?
>>
> My machine's battery is not detected by aux/acpi, meaning that 
> /dev/battery never shows up, meaning that neither bar nor stats can show 
> what is a critical piece of information.

what machine? model number? manufacturer? the output of sysinfo as run 
by the hostowner?

you've provided no actionable information whatsoever. if you're going to 
make a bug report, include the above information as well as any error 
messages and contextual information in the first place so people don't 
have to waste their time playing twenty questions.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 18:04, B. Atticus Grobe wrote:
> […]
> you've provided no actionable information whatsoever. […]
I have provided exactly the information necessary.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[ori]

Quoth Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
> On 10/23/23 18:04, B. Atticus Grobe wrote:
> > […]
> > you've provided no actionable information whatsoever. […]
> I have provided exactly the information necessary.

you may have forgotten an attachment. The only
thing arrived was one line of text:

	"Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86."

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 19:54, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> you may have forgotten an attachment.
No.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[ori]

Quoth Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
> On 10/23/23 19:54, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > you may have forgotten an attachment.
> No.

Ah. Well then.

I am wearing a blue shirt today.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 08:52:22PM -0400, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> Quoth Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
> > On 10/23/23 19:54, ori@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > > you may have forgotten an attachment.
> > No.
> 
> Ah. Well then.
> 
> I am wearing a blue shirt today.
> 

Good.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[ori]

Quoth Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.

You appear to be stating a fact. This fact doesn't
seem very useful in isolation.

https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:05:57PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.

Good.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 20:38, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:05:57PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.
> 
> Good.
> […]Why?

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Michael Misch]

Another fun fact is that no one on this list is paid, really ever to do the service thing. just a bunch of folks helping out because they like 9front and have the skills. Pretty neat! And if you want help, the low-effort, “Should be obvious” schtick you’re pulling will get you exactly ignored, because no one is paid to put up with it.

> On Oct 23, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/23/23 20:38, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:05:57PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.
>> Good.
>> […]Why?

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 21:07, Michael Misch wrote:
> Another fun fact is that no one on this list is paid, really ever to do the service thing. just a bunch of folks helping out because they like 9front and have the skills. Pretty neat! And if you want help, the low-effort, “Should be obvious” schtick you’re pulling will get you exactly ignored, because no one is paid to put up with it.
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/23/23 20:38, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:05:57PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>>> Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86.
>>> Good.
>>> […]Why?
I made no insistence that it “should be obvious”.  Contrary to your 
claim of loweffortness, I _did_ make an effort, that being to include 
only the needed information.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 09:18:52PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> I made no insistence that it “should be obvious”.  Contrary to your claim of
> loweffortness, I _did_ make an effort, that being to include only the needed
> information.

You forgot to include any information supporting the implicit assumption
that people on this mailing list should give a shit that libaml does not
recognize opcode 0x86.  You have still failed to include any information
which would enable someone, in the event they unilaterally decided to
give a shit anyway, to do anything useful with the information you have
so inexpertly provided.

In other words, you are not qualified to ascertain what information is
needed, and you did it wrong.  For this, and many other reasons, I am
glad you can't get a battery readout on your (likely stolen) computer.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 22:38, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 09:18:52PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> I made no insistence that it “should be obvious”.  Contrary to your claim of
>> loweffortness, I _did_ make an effort, that being to include only the needed
>> information.
> 
> You forgot to include any information supporting the implicit assumption
> that people on this mailing list should give a shit that libaml does not
> recognize opcode 0x86.

Okay:  it prevents batteries from being recognized as existing.  Works 
that for you?

>                         You have still failed to include any information
> which would enable someone, in the event they unilaterally decided to
> give a shit anyway, to do anything useful with the information you have
> so inexpertly provided.

I seen't what info'd be necessary.  Please clarify.

> In other words, you are not qualified to ascertain what information is
> needed, and you did it wrong.  For this, and many other reasons, I am
> glad you can't get a battery readout on your (likely stolen) computer.

That accusation of theft seems to me completely out of left field. 
Where on earth did you get it from?

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:00:33PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> Okay:  it prevents batteries from being recognized as existing.  Works that
> for you?

No.  Include a link to sysinfo output from the affected machine.

> I seen't what info'd be necessary.  Please clarify.

Your English is as bad as your problem-solving capacity.

> That accusation of theft seems to me completely out of left field. Where on
> earth did you get it from?

If only more people would ask you questions like that; whoever
orignially bought that computer might still have it.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

Doubling down on the accusations of theft, squirt?

On 10/24/23 03:18, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:00:33PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> Okay:  it prevents batteries from being recognized as existing.  Works that
>> for you?
> No.  Include a link to sysinfo output from the affected machine.
>
>> I seen't what info'd be necessary.  Please clarify.
> Your English is as bad as your problem-solving capacity.
>
>> That accusation of theft seems to me completely out of left field. Where on
>> earth did you get it from?
> If only more people would ask you questions like that; whoever
> orignially bought that computer might still have it.
>
> khm

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sysadmin umbrellix.net
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Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 03:26:30AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> Doubling down on the accusations of theft, squirt?

Attempting to bribe me with grapefruit-flavored soft drinks will not
divert me from solving this crime.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 23:18, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:00:33PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> Okay:  it prevents batteries from being recognized as existing.  Works that
>> for you?
> 
> No.  Include a link to sysinfo output from the affected machine.
> I seen't how that justifies of the problem itself caring, of which to 
which your statement in reference to was.
>> I seen't what info'd be necessary.  Please clarify.
> 
> Your English is as bad as your problem-solving capacity.
> 
If you, as an english speaker, can parse that sentence, it is a valid 
english sentence.  Back on topic, that does not clarify.
>> That accusation of theft seems to me completely out of left field. Where on
>> earth did you get it from?
> 
> If only more people would ask you questions like that; whoever
> orignially bought that computer might still have it.
Ah, i see what you're trying to do there now.  You're not going to 
succeed in it.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:32:20PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> > I seen't how that justifies of the problem itself caring, of which to
> which your statement in reference to was.

You're an idiot, then.  If your machine is worth supporting, people will
care.  Sysinfo output is the easiest way to make that determination.
Once again, you're not qualified to identify which information is
relevant.

> If you, as an english speaker, can parse that sentence, it is a valid
> english sentence.  Back on topic, that does not clarify.

Plenty of valid English sentences are shit.  Most of yours have been.

> Ah, i see what you're trying to do there now.  You're not going to succeed
> in it.

I strongly recommend you return any stolen property as quickly as
possible.  

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 23:37, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:32:20PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>> I seen't how that justifies of the problem itself caring, of which to
>> which your statement in reference to was.
> 
> You're an idiot, then.
Rude.
>                         If your machine is worth supporting, people will
> care.
This problem'sn't unique particularly to this machine.  'Tis of the lib. 
  'Tis general.
>        Sysinfo output is the easiest way to make that determination.
> Once again, you're not qualified to identify which information is
> relevant.
> 
If of this so certain you're, explain why should also you be, no?
>> If you, as an english speaker, can parse that sentence, it is a valid
>> english sentence.  Back on topic, that does not clarify.
> 
> Plenty of valid English sentences are shit.  Most of yours have been.
> 
'Tisn't but m'dialect, man.
>> Ah, i see what you're trying to do there now.  You're not going to succeed
>> in it.
> 
> I strongly recommend you return any stolen property as quickly as
> possible.
I plead the fifth.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[unobe]

Quoth Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
> On 10/23/23 23:37, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> 'Tisn't but m'dialect, man.

More like an idiolect (that's a technical term, related etymologically
to idiot and idiosyncrasy).  We all of them.  But the way you're
writing now compared to your initial writing makes me think you're
just digging in heels, feeling attacked.  If you want some help with
the 0x86, you can follow the advice Ori posted.  Give more context.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Lucas Francesco]

This bug report is wrong and your communication skills suck. libaml
does RECOGNIZE opcode 0x86 (NotifyOP, I recommend you to check up
Onotify in optab[]), and that's generally unrelated to battery
handling AFAIK, you may be referring to DefNotify, which is defined
as:  "DefNotify := NotifyOp NotifyObject NotifyValue". There's no
documented need for DefNotify and nobody would implement it because of
some random person just pointing at it without even bringing up an
actual bug.


On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 00:54, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/23/23 23:37, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 11:32:20PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
> >>> I seen't how that justifies of the problem itself caring, of which to
> >> which your statement in reference to was.
> >
> > You're an idiot, then.
> Rude.
> >                         If your machine is worth supporting, people will
> > care.
> This problem'sn't unique particularly to this machine.  'Tis of the lib.
>   'Tis general.
> >        Sysinfo output is the easiest way to make that determination.
> > Once again, you're not qualified to identify which information is
> > relevant.
> >
> If of this so certain you're, explain why should also you be, no?
> >> If you, as an english speaker, can parse that sentence, it is a valid
> >> english sentence.  Back on topic, that does not clarify.
> >
> > Plenty of valid English sentences are shit.  Most of yours have been.
> >
> 'Tisn't but m'dialect, man.
> >> Ah, i see what you're trying to do there now.  You're not going to succeed
> >> in it.
> >
> > I strongly recommend you return any stolen property as quickly as
> > possible.
> I plead the fifth.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

"(likely stolen)"

Kurt: Is that really where we're going? I'll have you know that that may 
qualify as libel if false.

Hawk: get a lawyer. In the meantime, what model of laptop do you have? 
This is important if you want anyone to help you get a battery readout.

Le 24 octobre 2023 02:38:01 UTC, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> a écrit :
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 09:18:52PM -0400, Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>> I made no insistence that it “should be obvious”.  Contrary to your claim of
>> loweffortness, I _did_ make an effort, that being to include only the needed
>> information.
>
> You forgot to include any information supporting the implicit assumption
> that people on this mailing list should give a shit that libaml does not
> recognize opcode 0x86.  You have still failed to include any information
> which would enable someone, in the event they unilaterally decided to
> give a shit anyway, to do anything useful with the information you have
> so inexpertly provided.
>
> In other words, you are not qualified to ascertain what information is
> needed, and you did it wrong.  For this, and many other reasons, I am
> glad you can't get a battery readout on your (likely stolen) computer.
>
> khm

-- 
Ellenor Bjornsdottir (she)
sysadmin umbrellix.net

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 03:16:53AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> "(likely stolen)"
> 
> Kurt: Is that really where we're going? I'll have you know that that may
> qualify as libel if false.

Key words:  "if false."  Are you claiming to have knowledge of this
possible crime, or do you merely defend potential criminals as a hobby?
If someone is stealing laptops, and someone knows something about it,
but chooses to defend the thief, that person might be an accessory to
the crime.  

> Hawk: get a lawyer. In the meantime, what model of laptop do you have? This
> is important if you want anyone to help you get a battery readout.

A lawyer might get a thief out of their just punishment, but that won't
restore the stolen property to its rightful owner.  A sysinfo readout
would be more useful, here, than a lawyer.  Preferably a serial number
as well, so we can check with the police to see if it's been reported
stolen.

khm

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 23:23, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> A lawyer might get a thief out of their just punishment,[…]
There'sn't any such thing.  All punitive criminal justice systems fail 
in their supposed goal of crime prevention.

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[B. Atticus Grobe]

you can take the moron out of school, but he'll take the computers with 
him...

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[Blue-Maned_Hawk]

On 10/23/23 23:43, B. Atticus Grobe wrote:
> you can take the moron out of school, but he'll take the computers with 
> him...
?

Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86

[hiro]

On 10/24/23, B. Atticus Grobe <grobe0ba@tcp80.org> wrote:
> you can take the moron out of school, but he'll take the computers with
> him...
>

i strongly object here: there is not a person more worthy of schooling than
the Idiot.

Tonight on Top Gear: ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft (was Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86)

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. 
"If false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful 
libel (as it should).

Hawk: http://man.9front.org/1/sysinfo this is what a "sysinfo" is, which 
khm is rightly requesting (the only right thing he's doing here) amid 
his baseless and offensive accusations of theft. You came in on a bad 
start, so folks here are understandably wary of you as a "customer 
service suck".

[mucks around on man.9front.org, asking it for libaml, then aml] You 
correctly gathered that libaml had something to do with acpi, although 
the failure itself may or may not be related to your opcode thing - aml 
is the ACPI machine language interpreter. I must confess this isn't 
something I too well understand, but [downloads the 
plan9front/plan9front source code to their UNIX workstation] the text 
"invalid opcode" appears nowhere in sys/src/libaml, possibly leading me 
to believe the original subject line is a misreading of the situation, 
or something like a red herring? Again I don't really understand how all 
this fits together.

May I ask how you're finding 9front in general, other than this battery 
issue?

-- 
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sysadmin umbrellix.net
jabber: ellenor ~on~ umbrellix.net

[9front] multiple sending

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

I'm sorry about sending the same email message like 7 times. mailing 
list delay isn't something that's clicked in my head yet.

Re: Tonight on Top Gear: ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft (was Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86)

[Jacob Moody]

On 10/23/23 22:55, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. 
> "If false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful 
> libel (as it should).
> 
> Hawk: http://man.9front.org/1/sysinfo this is what a "sysinfo" is, which 
> khm is rightly requesting (the only right thing he's doing here) amid 
> his baseless and offensive accusations of theft. You came in on a bad 
> start, so folks here are understandably wary of you as a "customer 
> service suck".
> 
> [mucks around on man.9front.org, asking it for libaml, then aml] You 
> correctly gathered that libaml had something to do with acpi, although 
> the failure itself may or may not be related to your opcode thing - aml 
> is the ACPI machine language interpreter. I must confess this isn't 
> something I too well understand, but [downloads the 
> plan9front/plan9front source code to their UNIX workstation] the text 
> "invalid opcode" appears nowhere in sys/src/libaml, possibly leading me 
> to believe the original subject line is a misreading of the situation, 
> or something like a red herring? Again I don't really understand how all 
> this fits together.
> 
> May I ask how you're finding 9front in general, other than this battery 
> issue?
> 

I mentioned this on IRC but should mention it here as well. This specific
issue with libaml has already been (partially) fixed thanks to uramekus.

http://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/2f457e75a5d614710a6683875d17d9c552a52a05/commit.html

Only partially because all this does is consume the instruction as a nop. More work may be require,
but this would at least fix the immediately present error.


Thanks,
Moody

Tonight on Top Gear: ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft (was Re: [9front] Libaml does not recognize opcode 0x86)

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. 
"If false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful 
libel (as it should).

Hawk: http://man.9front.org/1/sysinfo this is what a "sysinfo" is, which 
khm is rightly requesting (the only right thing he's doing here) amid 
his baseless and offensive accusations of theft. You came in on a bad 
start, so folks here are understandably wary of you as a "customer 
service suck".

[mucks around on man.9front.org, asking it for libaml, then aml] You 
correctly gathered that libaml had something to do with acpi, although 
the failure itself may or may not be related to your opcode thing - aml 
is the ACPI machine language interpreter. I must confess this isn't 
something I too well understand, but [downloads the 
plan9front/plan9front source code to their UNIX workstation] the text 
"invalid opcode" appears nowhere in sys/src/libaml, possibly leading me 
to believe the original subject line is a misreading of the situation, 
or something like a red herring? Again I don't really understand how all 
this fits together.

May I ask how you're finding 9front in general, other than this battery 
issue?

-- 
Ellenor Agnes Bjornsdottir (she)
sysadmin umbrellix.net
jabber: ellenor ~on~ umbrellix.net

[9front] Tonight on Top Gear. ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. 
"If false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful 
libel (as it should).

Hawk: http://man.9front.org/1/sysinfo this is what a "sysinfo" is, which 
khm is rightly requesting (the only right thing he's doing here) amid 
his baseless and offensive accusations of theft. You came in on a bad 
start, so folks here are understandably wary of you as a "customer 
service drain".

[mucks around on man.9front.org, asking it for libaml, then aml] You 
correctly gathered that libaml had something to do with acpi, although 
the failure itself may or may not be related to your opcode thing - aml 
is the ACPI machine language interpreter. I must confess this isn't 
something I too well understand, but [downloads the 
plan9front/plan9front source code to their UNIX workstation] the text 
"invalid opcode" appears nowhere in sys/src/libaml, possibly leading me 
to believe the original subject line is a misreading of the situation, 
or something like a red herring? Again I don't really understand how all 
this fits together.

May I ask how you're finding 9front in general, other than this battery 
issue?

-- 
Ellenor Agnes Bjornsdottir (she)
sysadmin umbrellix.net
jabber: ellenor ~on~ umbrellix.net

Re: [9front] Tonight on Top Gear. ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 04:03:17AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. "If
> false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful libel
> (as it should).

Lay off of what?  JUSTICE?  That won't ever happen.  And there's no such
thing as "truthful libel," which would be an oxymoron.  I'm starting to
think you're not even a lawyer, or possibly you haven't been admitted to
the bar!  I don't think anyone should take your legal advice until
you've established your credentials.  If you even have them.

khm

Re: [9front] Tonight on Top Gear. ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

I'm originally from England, where that's a thing (you can get done for 
libel which is truthful). Also, never claimed to be a lawyer.

On 10/24/23 05:09, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 04:03:17AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
>> And that's the third direct accusation of theft? Kurt? Bruh. Lay off it. "If
>> false" was merely stating that libel law in the US excludes truthful libel
>> (as it should).
> Lay off of what?  JUSTICE?  That won't ever happen.  And there's no such
> thing as "truthful libel," which would be an oxymoron.  I'm starting to
> think you're not even a lawyer, or possibly you haven't been admitted to
> the bar!  I don't think anyone should take your legal advice until
> you've established your credentials.  If you even have them.
>
> khm

-- 
Ellenor Bjornsdottir (she)
disclaimer: not currently in front of anything running 9front.

Re: [9front] Tonight on Top Gear. ACPI problems, me learning a thing, and accusations of theft

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 05:29:35AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> I'm originally from England, where that's a thing (you can get done for
> libel which is truthful). Also, never claimed to be a lawyer.

Absolutely disgusting, but I forgive you.  It's not fair to hold
someone's birthplace against them, except in egregious cases, such as
France.

In America, for your future reference, it is illegal to steal computers.

khm

[9front] Theatre of the absurd

[Ellenor Bjornsdottir]

Kurt.

I'm done playing stupid games, because I know that just wins us stupid 
prizes.

What made you think that:

  - Hawk had committed theft?

  - Theft was not a crime in England, or Canada where I now reside?

  - France, or England, is a particularly egregious place of birth?

One wonders if you're fit to be on this mailing list, or indeed to hold 
the government job that you hold.

This entire thread, if it is assumed that you are serious and not merely 
trolling to get a rise out of the good-natured people here and scare off 
Hawk who was admittedly coming off to a bad start, is a theatre of the 
absurd, and I know that you know it.

Do better. Alternatively: accounts on Eternal September are free, and 
Usenet has a rich culture of pedantic trolling. I'm sure there's a good 
NNTP client for 9front, as well, but the users are mostly Unix and 
Windows-NT folk.

On 10/24/23 05:43, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 05:29:35AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
>> I'm originally from England, where that's a thing (you can get done for
>> libel which is truthful). Also, never claimed to be a lawyer.
> Absolutely disgusting, but I forgive you.  It's not fair to hold
> someone's birthplace against them, except in egregious cases, such as
> France.
>
> In America, for your future reference, it is illegal to steal computers.
>
> khm

-- 
Ellenor Bjornsdottir (she)
disclaimer: not currently in front of anything running 9front.

Re: [9front] Theatre of the absurd

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 06:06:16AM +0000, Ellenor Bjornsdottir wrote:
> Kurt.
> 
> I'm done playing stupid games, because I know that just wins us stupid
> prizes.

Why were you playing stupid games before?  How is anyone supposed to
tell?

> What made you think that:
> 
> �- Hawk had committed theft?

I never accused that idiot of stealing anything, I merely opined that 
the laptop was probably stolen.  By whom, and why nobody will return 
it, are questions I still have.  You seem to be extremely worried that I
might eventually find out.  Why is that?  Why are you obstructing this
investigation?

> �- Theft was not a crime in England, or Canada where I now reside?

I don't make assumptions about whatever passes for a legal system in
foreign countries.  The Canadian government spent generations stealing
children.  The English have a centuries-long track record of stealing
entire nations.  How am I to guess what is or is not permissible to
steal in these places?

> �- France, or England, is a particularly egregious place of birth?

Mostly the output of their filmmaking industries.  Totally
reprehensible.  Don't get me started on the music.

> One wonders if you're fit to be on this mailing list, or indeed to hold the
> government job that you hold.

One may continue to wonder.  Fortunately for me, one is not in a position to
do anything about either situation.  Do let me know if there's anything
I can do to assist in one's wonderment.  I have held several government
jobs; you may wonder at them sequentially or all at once. I can take it.

> This entire thread, if it is assumed that you are serious and not merely
> trolling to get a rise out of the good-natured people here and scare off
> Hawk who was admittedly coming off to a bad start, is a theatre of the
> absurd, and I know that you know it.

You have no evidence that this mailing list is any kind of theater, nor
that I know anything at all, nor any reliable insight into the nature of
the people here, or whether there ARE people here.

> Do better. Alternatively: accounts on Eternal September are free, and Usenet
> has a rich culture of pedantic trolling. I'm sure there's a good NNTP client
> for 9front, as well, but the users are mostly Unix and Windows-NT folk.

"Many flaws mark our carving.  Observe it in silence for hours and days
until the flaws become part of the work."

Good luck, and lock up your computer.


khm